Long USB Solutions

[kittonian]

Mac based Pro Tools HD

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by kittonian

Mac based Pro Tools HD

Interesting.

Around here, I think those who have had success with TI/TI2 USB integration are few and far between, so while I know it doesn't help answer the original question, I think you're one of the lucky ones in that that it works as designed for you, so pushing it beyond the as-designed specs seems like a bit of a long shot, but best of luck to you.

I was one of the unfortunate ones that could not achieve an acceptable level of latency over USB so I returned my TI2 , to wait for a day when either USB was more reliably implemented or supplanted by a faster technology (that was about four years ago so I'm no longer holding my breath).

[Timo]

Originally Posted by MBTC

I was one of the unfortunate ones that could not achieve an acceptable level of latency over USB so I returned my TI2

And it must be three, possibly four years ago now, yet you're still dripping on about it like a tap. Maybe we're the unfortunate ones. Getting seriously bored, MB.

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by Timo

And it must be three, possibly four years ago now, yet you're still dripping on about it like a tap. Maybe we're the unfortunate ones. Getting seriously bored, MB.

I guess you could always ban me again under trumped up reasons / false pretenses if it really bothers you?

I wasn't dripping about anything here, I was asking the guy his secret sauce for success with USB since it seems rare around here. I read more from folks with USB issues than success, so when someone has success I'd like to know what worked for them.

Has the integration improved in the last 3-4 years? If so, where can I see a list of what was fixed? I'm genuinely interested in that. If it hasn't been fixed, and it's still true that more people have issues than success, then someone should drip about it until Access does something about it.

I commented about that fact here, because I think his chances of success with a longer cable are slim. Not sure why you're making more of it than that.

[Berni]

The reason for his success is simple. He is running a pro tools HD system which means all the processing power the DAW needs comes from dedicated hardware/pci cards & not the host computer so freeing up most of the computers resources to run VC.
On another note pro tools have now developed a new 64 bit plug in format called aax that a lot of my plug in's are now compatible with. There has been a few people on the official forum asking if access will be making an aax version of VC but no news so far.

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by Berni

The reason for his success is simple. He is running a pro tools HD system which means all the processing power the DAW needs comes from dedicated hardware/pci cards & not the host computer so freeing up most of the computers resources to run VC.
On another note pro tools have now developed a new 64 bit plug in format called aax that a lot of my plug in's are now compatible with. There has been a few people on the official forum asking if access will be making an aax version of VC but no news so far.

Wow, good catch Berni -- I didn't even think about the significance of HD in his post, not being a pro tools user myself. But, is that really the sole reason for success? The problems that I saw were under conditions where the CPU wasn't being stressed at all. The DAW would have had plenty of headroom for processing. I always felt the problem was more that USB 2.0 speeds either weren't being utilized, or (at the time) that I was having some sort of system problem with the USB controller that was introducing latency -- wondering how that problem would go away in his scenario, unless of course the HD hardware has a dedicated USB port that the Virus can plug into? Not familiar enough with protools hardware.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by MBTC

I guess you could always ban me again under trumped up reasons / false pretenses if it really bothers you?

I wasn't dripping about anything here, I was asking the guy his secret sauce for success with USB since it seems rare around here. I read more from folks with USB issues than success, so when someone has success I'd like to know what worked for them.

Has the integration improved in the last 3-4 years? If so, where can I see a list of what was fixed? I'm genuinely interested in that. If it hasn't been fixed, and it's still true that more people have issues than success, then someone should drip about it until Access does something about it.

I commented about that fact here, because I think his chances of success with a longer cable are slim. Not sure why you're making more of it than that.

The problems you experienced, during the very brief time (two days) you had a TI four years ago before returning it, could have been down to a huge number of things. Your problem, if not external, may well have been fixed in the last four years since you had it. Looking back, I seem to remember you using a very early beta 64-bit TI OS on an equally early 64-bit Windows OS using a 32-bit Fruity Loops plugin in a 64-bit wrapper.

However you and we will never get to the bottom of your specific problem as unless you get your hands on a TI again, you'll never be in a position to retest and revalidate your standpoint. As such it's become something of an infinite loop hearing it.

Which OS were you using at the time? Change-logs are released with each TI OS software update - a lot will have changed since then, along with people's personal PC/Mac OSs, setups and computer hardware (USB) too.

It is extremely important to discuss findings - positive or negative - no-one is denying otherwise. This is not a sun-shines-out-of-AccessMusic's-arse forum. But seemingly forever bashing the Virus passive-aggressively time and time again based on outdated experiences and taking threads OT with your own modus operandi and peddling the same old shit for years without displaying any willingness to retest anything is monotonal and unconstructive. MB, you're an intelligent guy, you must know.

The Virus does appear to work for a good deal of people. Even at the time when yours didn't.

Nobody mentioned banning you, under trumped up reasons / false pretences or otherwise. An odd and incredibly loaded choice of words, but yours nonetheless.

Furthermore, you've not been banned before, and I have no intention on banning you, so why say that? Only one person has been banned in all the time I've been here (is your name Telson?), all the rest are bots that are largely auto-nuked.

[Berni]

Originally Posted by MBTC

Wow, good catch Berni -- I didn't even think about the significance of HD in his post, not being a pro tools user myself. But, is that really the sole reason for success? The problems that I saw were under conditions where the CPU wasn't being stressed at all. The DAW would have had plenty of headroom for processing. I always felt the problem was more that USB 2.0 speeds either weren't being utilized, or (at the time) that I was having some sort of system problem with the USB controller that was introducing latency -- wondering how that problem would go away in his scenario, unless of course the HD hardware has a dedicated USB port that the Virus can plug into? Not familiar enough with protools hardware.

Cant say for certain, all I know is that the people with HD rigs are the ones that seem to have had more luck with the RTAS version of VC & the poorer LE users like me, not so much.