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[MBTC]

Update - bought Cubase 7 and my copy came with one of the CMC hardware controllers (actually made by Yamaha for Steinberg). The one that came with Cubase is the CH model (controls things like track switch, automation, volume, panning... awesome touch slider!). It takes all of 60 seconds from plugging the thing in to see how much effect it will have on my workflow. Loved it so much that I ordered the CMC-AI one (the one with the knob where you hover the mouse over any knob on the screen and the knob controls that).

Also, I guess nobody has had a chance to try the above CPU test?

[Berni]

Originally Posted by MBTC

Update - bought Cubase 7 and my copy came with one of the CMC hardware controllers (actually made by Yamaha for Steinberg). The one that came with Cubase is the CH model (controls things like track switch, automation, volume, panning... awesome touch slider!). It takes all of 60 seconds from plugging the thing in to see how much effect it will have on my workflow. Loved it so much that I ordered the CMC-AI one (the one with the knob where you hover the mouse over any knob on the screen and the knob controls that).

Also, I guess nobody has had a chance to try the above CPU test?

Well seeing how u have both Cubase & Live on your machine it looks like your in the perfect position to do some A/B comparisons of both DAW's. Would be interesting to hear your findings. Having said that Cubase is as old as the hills & Live 9 has only been out a few weeks so at this stage it might be a bit unfair to compare the 2.
I personally tend to use the track freeze function in Live so I generally dont use a lot of instances of any plug-in at any one time. If I have time over the weekend I'll give it a go though & see how many Massives I can stack up, Lol.

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by Berni

Well seeing how u have both Cubase & Live on your machine it looks like your in the perfect position to do some A/B comparisons of both DAW's. Would be interesting to hear your findings. Having said that Cubase is as old as the hills & Live 9 has only been out a few weeks so at this stage it might be a bit unfair to compare the 2.
I personally tend to use the track freeze function in Live so I generally dont use a lot of instances of any plug-in at any one time. If I have time over the weekend I'll give it a go though & see how many Massives I can stack up, Lol.

In terms of overall sound quality, there's no real difference in sound between Cubase and Live. If any difference showed up under scrutiny, it would more likely be a result of differences in levels or default settings of the DAW or maybe even something I inadvertently tweaked along the way. In terms of the pops and crackles, the CPU use is a different story; it could be limited to the PC version as well. I was really convinced it was my own PC until I got out and did some reading, and it seems like other folks experienced similar plugin performance. But yeah you're right, if your workflow lends itself to freezing/bouncing, CPU use becomes almost a non-issue. This is actually one of the main reasons I wanted to go to another DAW, because I just don't like the way it is done in FLStudio -- more cumbersome than just right-clicking the track in Live or clicking the freeze icon to the left of the track in Cubase. In FLStudio you're doing basically the same thing, but because the patterns (sort of like clips) are a whole different beast than the mixer, you have to do the freezing on the mixer track which I find to be counter-intuitive.

For me though I like to minimize freezing where I can, because otherwise it will go something like this: Add monster CPU eater like Diva and play a lead. Sounds good, freeze it and come back later.... but then when I come back later, I've got so much other shit going on that unfreezing Diva is not even possible, I won't even be able to hear it without freezing lots of other stuff. So, too much of that can get in the way too.

Maschine is a nice tool to have here too though... can do all percussion on Maschine (I actually keep the Maschine editor open on a separate monitor) and just drag and drop the bounced clips into the DAW (works on all DAWS I think).

Right now though I'm loving these CMC controllers for Cubase! Game changer devices for me.

[Berni]

Originally Posted by MBTC

In terms of overall sound quality, there's no real difference in sound between Cubase and Live. If any difference showed up under scrutiny, it would more likely be a result of differences in levels or default settings of the DAW or maybe even something I inadvertently tweaked along the way. In terms of the pops and crackles, the CPU use is a different story; it could be limited to the PC version as well. I was really convinced it was my own PC until I got out and did some reading, and it seems like other folks experienced similar plugin performance. But yeah you're right, if your workflow lends itself to freezing/bouncing, CPU use becomes almost a non-issue. This is actually one of the main reasons I wanted to go to another DAW, because I just don't like the way it is done in FLStudio -- more cumbersome than just right-clicking the track in Live or clicking the freeze icon to the left of the track in Cubase. In FLStudio you're doing basically the same thing, but because the patterns (sort of like clips) are a whole different beast than the mixer, you have to do the freezing on the mixer track which I find to be counter-intuitive.

For me though I like to minimize freezing where I can, because otherwise it will go something like this: Add monster CPU eater like Diva and play a lead. Sounds good, freeze it and come back later.... but then when I come back later, I've got so much other shit going on that unfreezing Diva is not even possible, I won't even be able to hear it without freezing lots of other stuff. So, too much of that can get in the way too.

Maschine is a nice tool to have here too though... can do all percussion on Maschine (I actually keep the Maschine editor open on a separate monitor) and just drag and drop the bounced clips into the DAW (works on all DAWS I think).

Right now though I'm loving these CMC controllers for Cubase! Game changer devices for me.

Yeah I am loving the maschine/Live combo. Probably would have gone for the Push controller for Live if I didn't already have the Maschine but it is so versatile & also works stand alone & all my NI stuff is mapped to it which I wouldn't get with Push.
Got Komplete 9 coming this thursday...can't wait to play around with the synth to end all synth's, Lol. I have a feeling it is going to be somewhat of a disappointment if the hype is to be believed. Really looking forward to trying out the new Battery though, my favourite drum sampler.