I has a confession. [rant]

[LivePsy]

Hi XLR8R, I knew I wasn't disagreeing with you about Mac and Macbook Pro but you did kind of class you and me as a mindless fanboys for having them

My point (wherever that may be) is that buying PC hardware because it is cheaper is not smarter unless you know what you are getting. Walking along aisles of notebooks and comparing them is not choice, they all sacrifice quality to stay cheap.

Also saying you can run Mac on any old PC hardware is fine IF you want to the risk - it is after all not supported.

B

[Celestry]

OK, I'm an MS Windows technical specialist, working tirelessly all day long on badly configured systems that project teams of vast experience hand over to vastly experienced support teams! I configure, patch, troubleshoot, all the days long. However, most of this is applications based investigation work, not OS failure, which is still rather too frequent.

My point? (^_^) I leave work, get off home, and turn on my Macbook Pro, and thank the Apple Tree it's so piss easy to do whatever I need to do. If something goes wrong, I can't even be bothered troubleshooting; I just restart Logic. (Logic crashes sometimes when the Virus does weird stuff!) The UNIX kernel can be fully explored with the tools provided in MAC OSX, but I can't be bothered. If I want to get technical with the MAC OSX, I could, but that's not why I bought it. I just couldn't be bothered with Windows at home any longer. For me, it's just so refreshing to get on the MAC after a day of Windows.

I wonder how many I.T. guys are on here that use MACs for music because they can't be bothered with Windows at home? And those that aren't in I.T. I completely understand the use of Windows at home, because Windows provides a very engaging learning experience, there's so much to understand if you're even the least bit technically minded. You find yourself learning more and more about the OS, as well as wanting to upgrade hardware, etc.

Computers are dead good, aren't they? (^_^)

[teethofgold]

celestry, you hit it spot on!

[LivePsy]

Originally Posted by Celestry

I wonder how many I.T. guys are on here that use MACs for music because they can't be bothered with Windows at home?

That would be me too. I also think that Windows is a great environment for the person who wants an intellectual challenge, well let's be honest, the smart-arse who likes to show off how smart they are to everyone. Computers were made to do things. Computer misfunction is not interesting in the least. Its disappointing to see so much discussion on these forums about how the computer doesn't work. Too much like work to me and as I find in my business, too much focus on problems and not enough on solutions.

Everyone should have the opportunity to try OS X as an operating system, and in an unbiased way. Give it a change, you might like it.

Cheers,
B

[XLR8A]

Originally Posted by LivePsy

Computer misfunction is not interesting in the least. Its disappointing to see so much discussion on these forums about how the computer doesn't work.

If that was the case, huge forums such as macfixit wouldn't exist. Have you seen what's going on those forums? It's a shitstorm of technical problems of all sorts, and people complain all the time about Apple support forum deleting their posts and banning users. The amount of problems people having with Macbooks is beyond ridiculous.

[LivePsy]

Originally Posted by XLR8A

If that was the case, huge forums such as macfixit wouldn't exist. Have you seen what's going on those forums? It's a shitstorm of technical problems of all sorts, and people complain all the time about Apple support forum deleting their posts and banning users. The amount of problems people having with Macbooks is beyond ridiculous.

I was alarmed with the problems of the graphics on the macbooks, and if I can criticise Apple at all its the far too frequent refreshes and obviously not enough testing first. Also, the 10.5.7 update killed my M3 USB connection just when I was about to record some stuff. Most annoying. Worst of all is I bought my macbook pro 1 year after 10.5 and then realised that the audio interface and TI still didn't have the drivers for another few months. Now THAT was annoying

But I do think that forums shouldn't be a gauge of real life experiences. Learn to work around these problems. Have disk image backups and make them frequently. Have a backup plan in case one particular piece of hardware gear isn't working. Have an old PC around so you can use that if nothing else works. Protect yourself from being totally stuffed with a problem. This is a positive strategy, whereas complaints on forums are well, complaints...

Cheers,
B

[XLR8A]

Originally Posted by LivePsy

Hi XLR8R, I knew I wasn't disagreeing with you about Mac and Macbook Pro but you did kind of class you and me as a mindless fanboys for having them

Once again you're missing the point, reading my posts would be a good idea for a start, in order to avoid this sort of misunderstandings in the future. And BTW, i don't have either Mac Pro or Macbook Pro, i'm using a custom made Quad Core workstation running OSX. And from the results of the tests i've made earlier this year, it significantly outperforms basically any Mac on the market except the 8 Core Mac Pro.

Originally Posted by LivePsy

My point (wherever that may be) is that buying PC hardware because it is cheaper is not smarter unless you know what you are getting. Walking along aisles of notebooks and comparing them is not choice, they all sacrifice quality to stay cheap.

Buying anything isn't smart if you don't know what you're getting, doesn't matters if you do it because it's cheaper or for any other reason. Like buying and iMac only because it's more expensive (and supposedly must be of a higher quality) but without knowing the tech specs, especially the most interesting tech specs Apple doesn't wants you to find out in order to avoid disappointing you.

Originally Posted by LivePsy

Also saying you can run Mac on any old PC hardware is fine IF you want to the risk - it is after all not supported.

Did I really said old PC hardware did I? This is interesting. Can you please explain to me, what risk am I taking at running OSX on my PC as smooth as it runs right now for over a year without any noticeable problems at all?

UNIX and BSD Kernel isn't something Apple invented specifically for their computers, it fully supports a wide range of hardware including even AMD processors that it's not "suppose" to run on. The fact that OSX isn't officially supported by Apple on non Apple computers, doesn't means it cannot run on non Apple computers as smooth as it runs on Apple ones, and fully support the hardware that UNIX was originally meant to support long time before Apple even thought about starting using it in their operating systems.

[LivePsy]

Originally Posted by XLR8A

Can you please explain to me, what risk am I taking at running OSX on my PC as smooth as it runs right now for over a year without any noticeable problems at all?

UNIX and BSD Kernel isn't something Apple invented specifically for their computers, it fully supports a wide range of hardware including even AMD processors that it's not "suppose" to run on. The fact that OSX isn't officially supported by Apple on non Apple computers, doesn't means it cannot run on non Apple computers as smooth as it runs on Apple ones, and fully support the hardware that UNIX was originally meant to support long time before Apple even thought about starting using it in their operating systems.

You're really trying to argue for the sake of argument now. By all means use OS X hacked for your PC. But also please don't tell everyone they should too. As my previous post immediately above suggests, tinkering with computers is not really a useful endeavour. Using them to do something creative is far more interesting.

Cheers,
B

[XLR8A]

Originally Posted by LivePsy

You're really trying to argue for the sake of argument now. By all means use OS X hacked for your PC. But also please don't tell everyone they should too. As my previous post immediately above suggests, tinkering with computers is not really a useful endeavour. Using them to do something creative is far more interesting.

Cheers,
B

I'm only asking you what risk am I taking at running OSX on my PC as smooth as it runs right now for over a year without any noticeable problems at all. You said it takes some risk, and i'm curious what risk you're talking about, i'm intrigued.

Btw, i don't use a hacked OSX. I installed it from original retail CD that i paid for, and then updated to the latest version via software update. Exactly like people install XP or Vista on their Macs via Bootcamp.

I love OSX, it enhances my workflow and creativity, so instead of tinkering with computers i can concentrate more on my work.

[LivePsy]

Originally Posted by XLR8A

I'm only asking you what risk am I taking at running OSX on my PC as smooth as it runs right now for over a year without any noticeable problems at all. You said it takes some risk, and i'm curious what risk you're talking about, i'm intrigued.

You are not permitted to install OSX on non-Apple hardware. You cannot get helpdesk support from your hardware supplier or Apple if you strike any problems. The 'risk' is that if you have a problem you have no recourse except to complain on the Innernet. Most likely this gets posted as 'all Macs suck' because the poster didn't mention the tiny fact that they did what was never intended. Installing OS X used to be impossible, and then some guys worked out tricks to get it to work. Its a trick, nothing more. If the trick works for you then great. In the same way, you can install a thousand variants of Linux. Great. Bet you don't really do anything useful on the Linux box though (music wise).

I consider buying a computer to be a package of hardware and software in which the manufacturer offers some support on both. In the case of Apple you have support for the hardware, OS and the DAW if you use Logic Studio.

OK, you are right. You can install OS X on a PC. But I question the value in doing it. I consider professional support of value, especially if you are making money out of your computer. I'm also wary of being sucked into the computer technology as an end in itself. I've met many IT people who are obsessed with the game, whereas I think the aim of IT is just to get things to work.

Cheers,
B