Unable to mixdown external audio processed through Virus Ti (Cubase 4.5.2) - The Unofficial Access Virus & Virus TI Forum

Cantankerous · #1 21.01.2009, 06:57 PM

Thanks a ton for your reply and your suggestion. It makes total sense. The only problem is, and for whatever reason, I get no such Virus TI FX plugin installed to be used as an insert. The only thing that gets installed is the Virus Ti.dll for the VSTi itself. Under my inserts list there is no plugin relating to the Virus whatsoever. I have noticed this same problem when using the quadro group channel method for using the sidechaining capabilities of the new OS 3.0.0 release. I have installed many times with OS 2.5, 2.7 and 3.0 and that FX plugin is never installed. I am on PC. Any hints on this on FFoxX?

Hell Yeh · #2 22.01.2009, 05:26 AM

Something weird that I just noticed, too... since I updated to OS 3.0, it seems as if the inputs on my Virus (both analog and digital) stopped working. I did a S/PDIF loopback test and the ports on my interface appear to be working. And thus, atomizing no longer works.

I've also tried going analog out of my interface to the analog ins of the TI and got the same results. I've tried it with both Pro Tools M-Powered 8.0 and Cubase 4.5.2. Even just trying to go out of iTunes into the TI doesn't yield any results.

I'm on Windows XP Home SP3 and using an M-Audio Profire 2626, with the Virus TI Polar connected to the computer via USB and to the 2626 via S/PDIF in and out.

Cantankerous · #3 22.01.2009, 11:23 AM

The ins stop working if you have 3 out/1 in set in the configuration of VC. If set it to either 2 out/0 in, or 3 out/0 in your inputs will work again.

Hell Yeh · #4 22.01.2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous

The ins stop working if you have 3 out/1 in set in the configuration of VC. If set it to either 2 out/0 in, or 3 out/0 in your inputs will work again.

Ahh, touche! So 3out/1in should ONLY be used for sidechaining then? If you're vocoding or atomizing, you shouldn't have this enabled?

Cantankerous · #5 22.01.2009, 03:37 PM

if you wish to use the S/PDIF OR ANALOG ins you MUST NOT have 3 out/1 in selected. That is only for sidechaining as the USB replaces the other physical ins. If you wish to use either S/PDIF or ANALOG ins you must use 2/3 out/0 in.

Cantankerous · #6 22.01.2009, 08:44 PM

This whole external FX thing is far more trouble than I am willing to work with I am afraid. Wanting to do a mono channel means I have to do some very strange panning/routing between main/surround outs to get it to work. The main problem however is the delay compensation. Cubase is doing a horrible job at best at keeping whatever comes back out of the virus in time with everything else. I am using Halion which is capable of multi outs. If I send a track from one out into the Virus for processing then back again, all is fine. If I assign a different patch to be played out of a different output of Halion all goes to hell and sounds like shoes in the dryer on playback. I click on the ping icon in the external FX and it keeps setting it back to 0ms compensation which is clearly wrong. I have to manually bit by bit fool with the compensation slider and even then it doesn't match up 100% and I still get slight phasing issues. Very annoying. Since this problem is obviously with Cubase, (not routing back as should without using external FX) and I don't expect a fix, I am just going to have to ignore processing external sound through the Virus, or mix everything down to audio first. I really wanted this to work out, but the hassles really halt my workflow.

FFoxX · #7 22.01.2009, 09:05 AM

You have to go to VST Connections dialog (F4), External FX tab, click on Add External FX button, type Virus TI FX or whatever you want into Name box, set Send Configuration and Return Configuration to Stereo and click OK. Then expand the new external effect bus node and Send Bus node, and set S/PDIF under Send Bus nodes Device Port column. Before that you must remove the S/PDIF out from Outputs. After that you can insert the new external effect to any audio track.

Cantankerous · #8 22.01.2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FFoxX

You have to go to VST Connections dialog (F4), External FX tab, click on Add External FX button, type Virus TI FX or whatever you want into Name box, set Send Configuration and Return Configuration to Stereo and click OK. Then expand the new external effect bus node and Send Bus node, and set S/PDIF under Send Bus nodes Device Port column. Before that you must remove the S/PDIF out from Outputs. After that you can insert the new external effect to any audio track.

Thanks a ton for this info. I have just spent the past hour fooling with this and have got it work, however not without its fair share of issues. Perhaps you can sort me out with this as well.

You mentioned to setup the external FX as Stereo. I did this and all was fine, however, I like to sequence my drums in Mono using Halion. In Halion I have the drums I want processed being played through a mono track. I have it being sent to the Virus Ti via the mono based external FX I created and I only get sound from the left channel. Adjusting the panning knob on the Cubase channel, and the Virus Ti VC channel does nothing. It is still only being played out of the left channel. Being that S/PDIF is a stereo channel they channels are panned hard left/hard right accordingly and I see no way to pan the left channel to center so that I hear the audio on both channels in mono. It is only plays out of the left channel, hence only left handed sound. I have tried creating the External FX as a mono effect to and it still didn't sound as should. Not like it does when it is just playing out of my audio interface before going through the Virus.

Secondly, is there no way to use Atomizer AND effects at the same time? I had a low cut filter automated on the breaks and that sounded fine. If however, I go into the FX page on VC and select to turn out Atomizer that too will work, but in doing so my cutoff doesn't get played back. It seems I can only use one or the other. Do you know of a way that I can get the filters working WITH the automizer so that both are heard and mixed down accordingly?

I am further than I have ever been on properly exporting external processed audio. I hope to get past these snags and be done with it. I really hope I am not technically limited here.

I really do appreciate all your help.

Thanks again.

Andrew