The musicians are almost extinct

[LivePsy]

Originally Posted by teethofgold

still... this discussion of "people can't play keyboards" is seriously flawed in that some of the best electronic music (in my opinion) is not even physically possible to play.

This is true, and it is also true that the sound is far more important than the notes. We're treating music like its 600 years ago and musical scales somehow are relevant. Learning music LIMITs you incredibly, but learning to listen and eventually create something you hear inside is the real skill.

I've learnt piano passing all the grades in NZ and frankly had to unlearn a lot of crap to start appreciating and then making electronic music. Music is NOT about notes, its about sounds and silence. When we were able to create any sound imaginable, we left traditional music behind. Some of us just don't realise it yet...

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[synthfiend]

my 2 cents;

even though a lot of electronic music is dependant on the sounds and their movement (rather than formal music composition), I think there is still quite a lot of underlying musicality to electronic stuff. Even if the composer does not realise it. Maybe a lot of electronic musicians (who are not formally trained in music) create tunes by ear...

[Ceri JC]

As a newcomer to this forum, would I be correct in assuming the debate about needing to play an instrument to be a musician is "one of those topics", which, like analogue versus digital or pretty much any "x sounds better than y" discussion, everyone has an opinion on and which always ends in tears?

[IamEvil]

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

As a newcomer to this forum, would I be correct in assuming the debate about needing to play an instrument to be a musician is "one of those topics", which, like analogue versus digital or pretty much any "x sounds better than y" discussion, everyone has an opinion on and which always ends in tears?

Wouldn't be much point going on the interweb if everyone hi-5'd each other and agreed though would it ?

[meisenhower]

To all on this forum, it wasn't my intent to go on a crusade in defense of pianists, keyboard players or the like. I was merely responding to the "original" spirit of this thread that "musicians" by both "my personal definition" and obviously, the person who started this thread's definition.

What ensued was a battle for words between two people who come from very different musical experiences (genre, training, style and most importantly, philosophy).

I certainly don't wish to continue a pointless diatribe, particularly when there is absolutely no willingness by the other parties to consider a different view.

I made an effort to clarify my position, and was accused of trying to "rosey up" to the forum. Frankly, I won't lose any sleep over it.

My only reason for joining this forum, was to gain some insight and perspective on my latest gear acquisition (Virus TI Kbd) and not to debate the relative merits of other peoples music and how they create it.

That being said, to Marc (Evil), I have no interest in participating in a "grudge match" to satisfy your juvenile tendencies. Feel free to go on about "how I won't put up, so I have to shut up." If that makes you feel victorious, then enjoy your feeling. My time can be better spent doing virtually anything else than responding to your ridiculous proposition. I've nothing to prove and my music stands on it's own merits (as do the performances, all done in real time, live in the studio).

Like it? Don't like it? Don't care?

Fine with me!

I'll not dignify any further negative commentary on this thread, so happy reading!

[IamEvil]

Originally Posted by meisenhower

To all on this forum, it wasn't my intent to go on a crusade in defense of pianists, keyboard players or the like. I was merely responding to the "original" spirit of this thread that "musicians" by both "my personal definition" and obviously, the person who started this thread's definition.

What ensued was a battle for words between two people who come from very different musical experiences (genre, training, style and most importantly, philosophy).

I certainly don't wish to continue a pointless diatribe, particularly when there is absolutely no willingness by the other parties to consider a different view.

You posted a post which you knew would cause a backlash and that you would get called out for - hence you typing "Flame Away" at the end.

Once called out, you then resorted to not only attempting to insult my old music but also personally insult me. Luckily I don't really give much of a shit about many things in life , espeically what some random annonymous person on the other side of the planet thinks about me.

That being said, to Marc (Evil), I have no interest in participating in a "grudge match" to satisfy your juvenile tendencies. Feel free to go on about "how I won't put up, so I have to shut up." If that makes you feel victorious, then enjoy your feeling. My time can be better spent doing virtually anything else than responding to your ridiculous proposition. I've nothing to prove and my music stands on it's own merits (as do the performances, all done in real time, live in the studio).

You think this is somehow about 1up manship for me ? bizarre

your whole debate in this thread has gone along the lines of "Hey I'm awesome , youre shit , I play live and you don't , youre a wanker , did I tell you how awesome I am ? oh and your music is shit"

Even this last "farewell" post of yours is based on your egotistical assumption that people on the internet actually give a fuck about you and your position.

I asked you to have competition because a) It would give me something challenging to do , b) it might be fun , c) it would show me how someone not into my style of music would interperate it.

obviously you being you took it as an act of war or whatever , but hey , it's all fun

happy new year