The musicians are almost extinct

[meisenhower]

Sorry, but if you don't PLAY (programming a sequence at 25% of the tempo doesn't count as playing) a musical instrument (synths DO count as musical instruments), don't create your tracks (by your own hand) from your instrument and cannot play what you write (without technical assistance), or can't perform your music without sequencing, DAWs, arpeggiators or loops.

You're not a musician.

Producer? Perhaps. DJ? Perhaps.

Musician? Not on your life.

Flame away! I'll be keeping warm at the Grand Piano

[IamEvil]

Originally Posted by meisenhower

Sorry, but if you don't PLAY (programming a sequence at 25% of the tempo doesn't count as playing) a musical instrument (synths DO count as musical instruments), don't create your tracks (by your own hand) from your instrument and cannot play what you write (without technical assistance), or can't perform your music without sequencing, DAWs, arpeggiators or loops.

You're not a musician.

The dictionary definition says I am. Since you aren't the last word or any authority on the subject, I'll stick with the facts thanks.

mu·si·cian (my-zshn)
n.
One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music.

Musician? Not on your life.

WRONG !

Flame away! I'll be keeping warm at the Grand Piano

what makes you think you're worth the effort ?

[teethofgold]

Originally Posted by meisenhower

Sorry, but if you don't PLAY (programming a sequence at 25% of the tempo doesn't count as playing) a musical instrument (synths DO count as musical instruments), don't create your tracks (by your own hand) from your instrument and cannot play what you write (without technical assistance), or can't perform your music without sequencing, DAWs, arpeggiators or loops.

You're not a musician.

Producer? Perhaps. DJ? Perhaps.

Musician? Not on your life.

Flame away! I'll be keeping warm at the Grand Piano

expecting people to play electronic music live is like expecting someone to create 3D animation with a pencil and paper.

[Khazul]

(Gets abestos pants on...)

I probably count as an instrumentalist - I play all keyboard parts (and sometimes sax, guitar and bass and drum and percussion parts) for all music I produce - (theres some stuff of mine on this forum's radio that whats I can play, but it was edited afterwards to make it tight - Late Night Messin is probably a good example, or Sunset and Escape on my soundcloud page).

However there is no way in hell I can consistently play to the level of tight precision needed for most modern dance music so I end up tweaking and quantizing most stuff I record. I can probably manage keys for the loosness of the average guitar band.

I think 'musician' is regarded very broadly these days - a musician makes music - period. Whether by programming everything, playing instruments, or even just writing and getting someone else to play it (human programming?), or hashing together loops etc...

In this sense - most of us here are musicians - the ones who aint are those who cant actually string a musical peice together, nor play anything that is involved in music, or are strictly DJs, or are strictly sound engineers etc.

A DJ isnt a musician - a turtablist is (IMHO) - Turntablists are usualy also DJs, very few DJs can count themselves as turntablists.

The grey area to my mind is someone who create music pieces by stringing together and mixing pre-made samples and loops - ie where they are not actually writing any melodies or chord progressions, or writing rhythms etc, just mixing it all up - they aint musicians by any definition I can think of.

[annikk.exe]

Originally Posted by teethofgold

expecting people to play electronic music live is like expecting someone to create 3D animation with a pencil and paper.

And writing about music is like dancing about architecture :>


It's weird thinking about why people make posts that they acknowledge they will be flamed for. What is the objective? To be flamed? Surely everyone knows nobody participating in a debate will leave with a different opinion from the one they started with.

I can play most of the stuff in my songs, but there are some things like glitch that are very very difficult for humans to play unassisted. I spend my time writing music though, not worrying about whether I am really a musician or not. :>


-Annikk

[feedingear]

Ah the hard done by 'jazz' muso. Seen enough of them at my time at WAAPA and their holier then thou, over the top arrogance.

Funnily enough, the truly talented individuals I have met in Jazz or otherwise are usually the most humble, focused, and easiest to socialise with. They care about MUSIC.. the end result. Connection from the creator to the listener.