Quantized notes sound un-quantized

[marc]

Originally Posted by seantyas

had the virus ti a while now but only starting to really try to use it more.. and more and more i notice, that when i play, say straight 8th notes OR 16th notes, its not exact 16th notes.. the note timing is 100% ALL OVER the place.

I have the latest os 2.5.1 and am running on logic 7.2.3 on a mac pro.

anyone else experiencing this?

if you use Virus Control something goes wrong, the timing is supposed to be "perfect" since all the notes are time stamped and not arrive in a sequential fashion like it would using midi.

i'm not sure if logic 7 and the newer mac pros are good friends, all i know is that the new 8 cores are a challenge for most developers of realtime applications (which would include virus control). so give beta 5 a try, it might help, from the top of my head we improved several things which will only show their ugly face on multi-core systems.

hth, marc

[seantyas]

ok check out the attached mp3...

each pluck is just 2 notes, PERFECTLY quantized but sounds like its played live

http://www.seantyasmusic.com/access

[paulkeeley]

i've had the same issue here - i use my virus primarily in standalone midi mode, as i can't stand to work with even the slightest bit of latency.

i've taken the issue up with access support in the past. the issue seems to be when i'm using complex patches (anything but standard saw/pulse).

i tried a comparison test with a dry unfiltered sawtooth, and the timing was rock solid. i then tried some hypersaw, and the timing went completely off.

so, long story short - if any of the oscillators in a patch are set to anything but "classic", you can say bye-bye to timing. i'm not sure if this is the same case for the C line or earlier, but it has driven me to the brink of insanity on many occasions.

what i usually end up doing is layering a vst-i with similar settings (where applicable) underneath the virus to thicken things up and ensure that at least something is playing back spot-on cue. seems to work well enough. still frustrating, especially since my nord wave is bang on all the time. different architecture, obviously, but bad timing is not something you'd expect in a high-end piece of gear.

hope that helps. happy head-bashing!

paul.

[Totty]

I've been having the very same issue on my TI Polar - latest OS 2.7.5 OSX 10.5.5 8 Core Mac Pro Logic 8.02.

If i fire off complex patches or patches that have very quick modulations on attack, or if there is a monophonic lfo cycling a parameter such as formant or filter env depth - things start to sound wrong. The envelopes skip the attack and the modulations go awry....

[synthfiend]

if what you guys say is true I'm going to be V disappointed, one of the main reasons I outlayed all this money for a hardware synth was to avoid bad timing.....

[Totty]

Originally Posted by synthfiend

if what you guys say is true I'm going to be V disappointed, one of the main reasons I outlayed all this money for a hardware synth was to avoid bad timing.....

Depends how you use it I suppose. I've come to the conclusion it may never work right - maybe TI 2.

[Monobeat]

That's too bad because my Virus TI is always out of time... I love the sound, I HATE the timing.

Especially when I output my Arp notes.... The notes are 100% all over the place, they never sit in the same place twice.

I still love my Virus.

[Totty]

Originally Posted by Monobeat

That's too bad because my Virus TI is always out of time... I love the sound, I HATE the timing.

Especially when I output my Arp notes.... The notes are 100% all over the place, they never sit in the same place twice.

I still love my Virus.

I know exactly how you feel, amazing synth that has issues. With me I don't often use that many parts so I suppose I don't push the VC/Synth integration too much, but the other day I made this Chord Arp, Very simple single modulation of the formant shift on one osc, lfo was set to monophonic. When I played it back in standalone mode sounded great, cycling up and down. In Logic and VC the playback turned the modulation into a random event. Very frustrating. The hope was that sometimes it did work ok, so I'm thinking maybe it's Logic, but I don't know.

I also find if I use the filter env to modulate the filter env decay (ie:recursive modulation) that If I play a couple of notes it sounds really great with a tight attack. If I add another part the attack portion randomly skips it's decay.

In a way it reminds me of my old Roland JV2080. Sounded great on it's own, start sequencing with it, and all sorts of timing delays and envelope problems came to show.

I love my TI to bits, I hope there will be a fix

Mike