School shooting in Jokela

[jasedee]

I've never been to a prostitute. Am I missing out on anything there? I just don't see the point if you can't cuddle afterwards...

[Old Vantaa Man]

Ahh. Kittens is cool. Unless you're a field mouse.

[Juho L]

Originally Posted by Old Vantaa Man

Ahh. Kittens is cool. Unless you're a field mouse.

Or you are generally afraid of kittens.

[LivePsy]

Here's a little different take on shootings: Be nice to everyone or they might get angry enough to shoot you. I'm serious. If you f*ck someone off so much that they are angry enough to kill, then you deserve to die.

You're all missing the message. Isolated nutters don't cause shootings, people cause shootings. You, me, everyone. We all deserve it.

Cheers,
B

[AlexHall74]

LivePsy wrote:
"Be nice to everyone or they might get angry enough to shoot you. I'm serious. If you f*ck someone off so much that they are angry enough to kill, then you deserve to die."

I think I get your drift, but I can't completely agree with the statement above. What if the person you are dealing with is significantly irrational and disturbed? Then you, me, or anyone else might do something considered normal, or maybe just a little bit harsh, but the other party considers the act enough ot kill. So should we all act in such a way that we are not prone to upset everyone in the whole world? I guess the thing to do is be observant of those you associate with, and not naive, and to be careful if you get a bad vibe for any reason. Just my .02.

[LivePsy]

I think that society creates its killers. If we were supportive and connected, this wouldn't happen. Utopian dream maybe, but my view.

A common theme in similar situations is that others notice suspicious behaviour but do nothing. Sort of like "well yes, he was very quiet and kept to himself and had a lot of guns in his bedroom". I think society fails when someone goes on a rampage. Ignoring this aspect and marginalising the killer doesn't stop it happenning again - to makes it even more likely.

Cheers,
B

[Old Vantaa Man]

It's a good point psy, and as Marilyn Manson said in reply to the question:

What would you have said to Harris and Klebold?

He said:

I wouldn't have said anything. I would have listened.

But the fact remains that there are millions of disaffected teenagers - surprise, surprise - around and unfortunately the internet has given these people the perfect environment to grow totally obsessive. When I was that age we got electric guitars and played rock and roll and that's how we dealt with not having a girlfriend or any money.

I'm sure there were times when my parents despaired, wondering what to do about this dysfunctional arsehole who wanted to do nothing else but play guitar and ride a skateboard. They didn't have a fucking clue.

Now I'm a parent myself of two kids not far away from their teens, I just hope that they'll always know I'll support them through whatever they want to do and I'll fucking do my best to ensure that they actually do what they want to do.

I blame this lad's parents for their singular lack of interest and allowing him to get a gun.