Are you destined to become a failed wannabe music producer?

[Khazul]

Or just accept what you do is and allways will be complete and utter shite

Just have some fun doing it and if someone happens to like it - well great, if not - so what

[jasedee]

All the negativity doesnt help though, call me a new age fag, but I do think there is some merit in the whole "law of attraction" theory.

Send out those positive vibes man, believe in yourself, make it happen, cos no one else out there is going to make it happen for you.

In any case, if you find you suck at the music thing, you can always become a sound engineer like me.

[LivePsy]

You're way too hard on yourself, nvisibl. I love synth gear, but I can assure anyone here that making something that others will praise me for is at the bottom of the list. Making music as a creative process is an end in itself. Making something that will please others is NOT important. You may please others along the way, but it should not be your goal. Your music's real worth is your opinion of it, not other's opinions.

I had the privelege to go through some demo tapes and CD's sent in for a radio competition - demoes unfortunately just thrown into a bin out the back. There was so much passion, individuality and genuine creativity there. Forget the poor choice of sounds, bad performances and such. This was real creativity and none of them made the short list in the competition. My point? Make what you like, learn from it and make some more.

Don't hand out your music for opinions, its an opportunity for arseholes to feel better about themselves by putting you down. Any fool can call your music shite - in fact you can count on it.

Cheers,
B

[bishopkris40]

I'm with LivePsy, I have spent thousands on music gear, and none of it was to create the next big hit or to make me better, I just love sound. I have massive amounts of poly but most of the time I play just one or two sounds and jam away to myself, no computer norecording constraints just go with the flow, infact I have started recording now because it's easier with the TI but the songs I'm happier with are the ones that I record the each track as a freestyle, not a loop just the whole length of the song. Sunnypiano is just that me playing one of my favorite sounds and a favorite chord structure.

I will never be released/signed because that's not what I want, I use soundclick to get my recording kicked in to shape and I have managed a Number 28 not bad for in my opinion bad songs. As long as I know I can play the keys layer a couple of sounds and my eyes shut and fingers keep going then all the money/debt is worth it.

However I wouldn't mind releasing a hypersaw song with a bird dancing around topless, just for the fun of making the video and having something else to think about that would make me shut my eyes and keep my hands going

[nvisibl]

has nothing to do with my being hard, soft on myself or negative... and more to do with what is seen and understood, and sharing it here so that others can add to it, relate, see themselves (or not).

[nvisibl]

Originally Posted by bishopkris40

I'm with LivePsy, I have spent thousands on music gear, and none of it was to create the next big hit or to make me better, I just love sound. I have massive amounts of poly but most of the time I play just one or two sounds and jam away to myself, no computer norecording constraints just go with the flow, infact I have started recording now because it's easier with the TI but the songs I'm happier with are the ones that I record the each track as a freestyle, not a loop just the whole length of the song. Sunnypiano is just that me playing one of my favorite sounds and a favorite chord structure.

I will never be released/signed because that's not what I want, I use soundclick to get my recording kicked in to shape and I have managed a Number 28 not bad for in my opinion bad songs. As long as I know I can play the keys layer a couple of sounds and my eyes shut and fingers keep going then all the money/debt is worth it.

However I wouldn't mind releasing a hypersaw song with a bird dancing around topless, just for the fun of making the video and having something else to think about that would make me shut my eyes and keep my hands going

dude and happy father in the making... you can kiss your gear goodbye for at least the next two years if not more. well, thats been my experience recently anyway

[nvisibl]

Originally Posted by LivePsy

Don't hand out your music for opinions, its an opportunity for arseholes to feel better about themselves by putting you down. Any fool can call your music shite - in fact you can count on it.

sounds like you've been offended in the past?

[LivePsy]

Originally Posted by nvisibl

sounds like you've been offended in the past?

Not really offended, and I didn't mean it as a grudge against the world. Its an observation of human nature (something best avoided IMO). You can put so much of yourself into something, and it takes no effort on the afore mentioned arsehole's part to put you down. The stupid thing here is that they actually thought I wanted their approval. Its only a put down if I was hoping they would like it. So I was rather amazed that co workers and friends would come out with tertiary education critiques like "where's the singer?", "I hate drum machines", "You should learn to play a real instrument". Or the ever popular condescending, "Don't you think the kick and bass are too loud, you should listen to some successful music". Yeah right.

Back to your wannabe post (which you are pretty much retreating from yourself now), trying to make music requires you to find something inside yourself. Relying on others to help you find it won't help. IMO they can set you on the path to failure if you let them. So I thought I would take a different point of view - don't let others hear your music. If it is really good enough, the world will find out about it

Cheers,
B

[Khazul]

Whats kind of funny is how we (collectively) as producers seem to think the opinions of non producers dont matter.

I actually think its rather cool and feel kind of happy that loads of my non-producer friends have some of my few meagre noises on their mp3 players in their main playlists. Its also kind of funny going round to a mates house for a pissup/house party then half way through the evening, jumbled in with a whole load of well known stuff you suddenly recognise something of you own on and people are still dancing and not yelling "turn this shit off" or hitting the skip button - ok - so they probably so pissed they dont care - for those who dont know its something of mine I dont bother telling them - a mate might, but I dont.

Even better when it a local DJ you know whos playing it at a pub or party your at and several hundred people are still quite happily dancing away to it. Sometimes I cringe and think wtf you playing this for, sometimes its a real buzz to see people enjoying it - either way - I sure as hell cant get used to it.

I know the reality though - there a hell of a difference between people enjoying something that costs nothing and fit in with the modd and getting to folk out hard cash in HMV or via iTunes or whatever, so am under no illusions about trying to pedal my junk.

Oddly, with the few public sets/mixes etc that I have done recently - Ive never stuck my own stuff in them - maybe its just because I do it just for my own enjoyment and while happy to let them be heard, I never feel they are good enough - or imaginative enough to be worth forcing upon people.

And yes of course we all would probably welcome a A&R guy showing up on the doorstep one day with enough cash to tell my employers what a complete bunch of wankers they are - but I know that aint ever going to happen - same with most of us I guess...

As for my muse - its a very unpredictable one - I have my moments maybe, but most of the time its AWOL, so no illusions there either.

On collaboration - actually I would welcome it, but it would have to be someone of complimentary tastes, skills and personality. Very few of us are lucky enough to find a good long term production partner - and often those that do are so much the better for it - the sum does seem to be greater than the parts - people who dont colaborate actually become too set in their ways often, or dont stretch themselves enough - Im certainly guilty of that.

[LivePsy]

Originally Posted by Khazul

Whats kind of funny is how we (collectively) as producers seem to think the opinions of non producers dont matter.

A "producer" does not necessarily have an informed or constructive opinion. Best to be unbiased and consider ALL opinions unimportant

Cheers,
B