waiting for polar and was wondering.....

[wildbill]

nutekk: i agree with some of your points, i think it's a case of 'let the buyer beware', and i don't blame you for being angry.

i think it's a case of misunderstanding USB. i'm not that familiar with it, but i thought it was only capable of sending 2 stereo streams of audio.

if it's capable of two 16/44.1 streams, it seems there should be some kind of 'ADAT SMUX' (or whatever) fix.

in other words, maybe the whole usb bandwidth could somehow be used to transfer one stereo stream of 24/96 - but i guess it's not there yet, and maybe never will be.

i went back to the Access site and read the specs over several times.

they justifiably repeat the fact that it has 24/192 analog converters.

they also state that it's USB2 compatible.

for someone like myself who doesn't know 'all that much' about it, i naturally assumed it would be capable of doing 24/96 over usb.

apparently that's not the case.

i always set my projects at 32/44.1 in cubase. it's my understanding that the floating point 32 bit gives you extra 'headroom' to avoid 'rounding errors' when using processing and fx and whatever.
this supposedly gives you a more accurate signal too dither down to 16 bits.
i defintely can hear the difference when recording at 16 or 24 bits. the 'airiness' of 96 versus 48 or 44.1 is much less apparent to me.

i guess it boils down to 'i'm a little disappointed that the TI can't send 24/96 over usb.'

ya, in the end, it's up to the user to know that kind of stuff and access has no real responsibility to disclose it, but i think it would have helped them rather than possibly pissing people off, had they done so.

[nutekk]

thanks for getting the name right

yea from reading the specs i would have never known.
still there is no official answer!

yes one 24/96 stream would be nice!
i would reconsider the purchase right away.
but i dont think its going to be possible.

cheers and enjoy the virus!

[obliterations]

Ok, So forgive me for jumping in this. Did someone says you have to have your host set at 16/44 for the virus Ti to work correctly? Is this true, cause I didnt see it in the book. Also I've had my g5/logic 7 set to the "24bit recording" could this be why My Virus timing is lagging?

thanks

[nutekk]

you would probably be best off ignoring the ti function all togather
and use a midi cable and the analog outs!
at least for now.

[ben crosland]

For the record, you are able to work at 48Khz with the TI. I know it won't be of much appeal to the 96K-heads, but still.

Nuttek, are you aware that all of the major Hollywood music production teams are still working at 44.1? Granted, it's 24/44.1, but they are not using 96. I guess it can't be that bad..

[grs]

Just to help out nutekk a bit, I agree with the 96 mixing thing and the missleading 24/192 converter and usb2 compatable sales pitch.

Bottom line is the virus engine is supposidly running at 48khz no matter what you set the asio driver at, ie it runs at 48khz or down sampled to 44.1khz for usb

Can anyone verify if you can actually do a progect at 96khz with the usb audio connection. Maybe Access could implement upsampling in the viruscontrol side after the usb has sent it over at 48Khz.

Who knows what for the analog outs. Are the analog outs running at 192Khz all the time or is it Asio driver linked? Id like them to be running at the highest rate when in use in stand-alone mode, but then will upsampling a 48Khz virus sound any better?

All these questions would be good to have as marketting specs you know.
At the very least put this shit in the manual.

[nutekk]

thats quite bold statement...
man you love talking in absolutes.
a quick google could debunk that

and if your talking about film it would be 48hz.
and even there it isnt true because they have many sources
it is all just converted.
as for music production your way off in saying that they all mix in 24/44

but no matter the ti cant do 24 bit digital at all
so whats the point.

and i never said 16/44 doesnt sound ok!
16/44 can sound great.

i will tell you it is easyer to get great results mixing @ higher rates then 16/44 which the virus ti cant do (or should i say prevents your host from doing) utilizing its total intergration feature.
which is crazy because even dodgy vsti and effects dont hold you back from this.

which is fine
becuase it is a unique synth
and you can can use the analog outs.

but if using the analog outs
the total intergration aspect becomes nothing but a mear novelty

why would i want to use a plugin when i have the hardware right infront of me?
you still have to record your midi actions the same either from the screen
or from the unit itself.so whats the deal
isnt that a reason why people buy hardware ..so they dont have to deal
with a plugin?

a librarian?
you have heard of sounddiver?
ahh the arp programing...hmm kinda sucks that you *have to use the
computer mumbojumbo to program it.

so the big advantage is midi over a usb cable and a plugin that
you can control with a mouse for whatever reason i dont know because
the hardware is right infront of you.

i guess if you had a long enouph usb cable you could put the ti in the closet so nobody can see it?
if i had one i would want to show it off!

this is the "Total Intergration" that i have been eagerly awaiting for months.

this TI aspect is what makes the deal sour.The virus synth engin is art.
but one has to think how much of the premium price am i paying for
a catch phrase "total intergration"

you could have skipped all that and put a pair of lightpipe outs on the unit. and i would be running for the unit at this price!!!
but instead its just a gimmick
and one that access didnt need at all

[ben crosland]

Originally Posted by nutekk

thats quite bold statement...
man you love talking in absolutes.
a quick google could debunk that

and if your talking about film it would be 48hz.
and even there it isnt true because they have many sources
it is all just converted.
as for music production your way off in saying that they all mix in 24/44

Well, this information came straight from someone who works in the industry. What can I say?

*shrugs*

[nutekk]

man your being sort of a mook.
instead of confirming any of this
you choose to make useless comments

"Can anyone verify if you can actually do a progect at 96khz with the usb audio connection"

that would be helpful.

[nutekk]

Originally Posted by nutekk

to clarify...

since the usb streams are 16/44
does also the project in the host have to be done @ 16/44?

this is the question! my first post
but no answers