SH101s are cool :)

[Tomer=Trance]

some people are willing to pay any price you ask.
i just saw the other day tons of vintage stuff sold
jup8,poly6,ms20,matrix 6
the prices were unreasonable but i still belive some people are obsessive enough or dumb enough to play that price.

btw where are you from that your fermilier with the israeli (super high) prices?

[XLR8A]

I'm from Holon, and i saw those posts on act.co.il , maybe those people who
sell it may be just too obsessive or dumb enuff to ask so much money for it.

[Hollowcell]

People that pay a fortune for vintage analogue are nuts in my opinion. The colector prices are not close to the value of the machine - I say that and I'm living in a country where they are really cheap.

What other analogues did you own out of interest XLR8?

[XLR8A]

Originally Posted by Hollowcell

What other analogues did you own out of interest XLR8?

Roland MC202, Moog Prodigy, Moog Rogue, Syncussion DRM1, Roland TR606,
Quasimidi Rave-o-lution 309 - (not so analogue as Oberheim Matrix6, Waldorf
Pulse and EMU Morpheus), Korg MonoPoly, Roland SH101 ofcourse, and lots
of guitar pedals from different manufacturers.
Some of this equipement i sold to my friends, so it still accessible to me when
i need something, and i had a collection of Akai samplers that includes S950,
S1000, S2000 and S3200XL (only S3200XL has left now).

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Originally Posted by XLR8A

Roland MC202, Moog Prodigy, Moog Rogue, Syncussion DRM1, Roland TR606,
Quasimidi Rave-o-lution 309 - (not so analogue as Oberheim Matrix6, Waldorf
Pulse and EMU Morpheus), Korg MonoPoly, Roland SH101 ofcourse, and lots
of guitar pedals from different manufacturers.
Some of this equipement i sold to my friends, so it still accessible to me when
i need something, and i had a collection of Akai samplers that includes S950,
S1000, S2000 and S3200XL (only S3200XL has left now).

In my opinion, selling the Korg Mono-Poly, Moog Prodigy and SH101 was a very big mistake. Now I can understand that if they were in shit condition and giving you problems....they needed to go....but if I were you I'd be wanting to find better examples of the. Seriously......they are shit hot analog synths. I cannot understand why you'd think they're shit.

DS

[jasedee]

Originally Posted by DIGITAL SCREAMS

I cannot understand why you'd think they're shit.

Heheheheee......We can always count on DS to lead us on an analogue attack

[XLR8A]

First of all i'm a musician, not a collector of musical instruments.
I've sold those synths in a good working condition because i threated them
good enuff to keep them in this condition, and i don't think they shit or anything,
each one of those synths had his own character and personalality, but i decided
to get rid of them because they became useless for my needs.
When i bought them i didn't knew so much about sound, and after i learned
trough the years the secrets of sound engineering and studio tech - i found out that
there are better and easier ways to create the sounds that i hear in my mind,
and those synths started loosing their value trough the years, i wanted to move
forward with technology instead of staying behind with a bunch of collector
items in a museum. My studio is not a museum and it shouldn't be a museum.
Today i still work mostly in hardware environment, most of the hardware
i use is eq's and dynamic processors, but i think that in next few years
software will be good enuff to replace hardware completely, at least with synths.

I've seen lots of people with Mackie or Genelec monitors in standard square
rooms without any accoustic threatment, some of them have lots of vintage
synths and they claim that they sounds better than all new digital bullshit...
I've been there already, i have nothing to say to those people, because
when i was like that, i didn't listen to those who know.

Ofcourse analogue synths it's more fun, but in the end of a day - your music
is what's really important, not the kit list you used to create it.

[jasedee]

Easy Tiger!!!!

We dont wanna have to send round The DS Massive, to take on The TLV Massive, as many synths maybe lost in the gunfire

J/K mate.....it's all love round here!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Take these responses with a pinch of salt....its just an opinion!

Originally Posted by XLR8A

First of all i'm a musician, not a collector of musical instruments.

Glad to hear it. What kinda music do you like to make?

Originally Posted by XLR8A

I've sold those synths in a good working condition because i threated them good enuff to keep them in this condition, and i don't think they shit or anything.

Its great to see that people are still taking care of these oldies. Hurray.....

Originally Posted by XLR8A

Each one of those synths had his own character and personalality.

I agree. This is one of the reasons I sometimes bitch about modern synths.....for the fact that most (not all) lack sonic character. Im of the opinion that most old analog...even the crap sounding ones have more character than softsynths and most VA's.

Originally Posted by XLR8A

I decided to get rid of them because they became useless for my needs.

Im interested to know in what way they became useless. Was the it the lack of onbaord effects lol. Sorry I just had to put that one in . But seriously.....what was the reason? Just curious....

Originally Posted by XLR8A

When i bought them i didn't knew so much about sound.

Tut Tut such a contradiction lol. Most people own/use true analogs purely for the raw sound quality that digital synths cant posses. However, I must concede.....'analog sounds' arent for everyone.....digital synths are fine too. Oh dear.....ive contradicted myself now.....ok where even now hehe

Originally Posted by XLR8A

There are better and easier ways to create the sounds that i hear in my mind.

Being? For me, I find analog the best. FM/PD etc...whilst brilliant in their own right....are somewhat less intuitive for me.

Originally Posted by XLR8A

Those synths started loosing their value trough the years, i wanted to move forward with technology instead of staying behind with a bunch of collector
items in a museum.

In what way do you think your moving forward? VA's are still using basic 'analog' type osc waveforms, filters and LFO's. These are the things that fundementally shape the sound and have been widely used since the early 60's. Granted you have more flexibility with todays gear.....but is this really new technology? FM and PD synthesis has been around since the early-mid 80's....I think additive synthesis has been around almost as long. Granular...not sure....but I dont think its particularly new.

Originally Posted by XLR8A

My studio is not a museum and it shouldn't be a museum.

The worst thing you've said so far . I love having old synths around me....adds to the atmosphere of sound designing and jamming/music making. I like having some new stuff aswell.....particularly when the lights are off when i cant see it hehehee

Originally Posted by XLR8A

In next few years software will be good enuff to replace hardware completely, at least with synths.

With regards to VA.........possibly yes. In terms of true analog.....nope. Hardware provides a tangible experience that increases inpsiration.....I feel totally disconnected from the 'synth' when its in a computer environment. But thats just me.....there are alot of people who love softsynths.....particularly preset users. Its no fun programming on softsynths.

Originally Posted by XLR8A

I've seen lots of people with Mackie or Genelec monitors in standard square rooms without any accoustic threatment, some of them have lots of vintage synths and they claim that they sounds better than all new digital bullshit...

Yep, im one of those people :P . But...I dont think digital sounds bullshit....well not now anyways....

Originally Posted by XLR8A

I've been there already, i have nothing to say to those people, because when i was like that, i didn't listen to those who know.

You gotta trust your ears....I agree with that. Its just subjective opinions at the end of the day. Im interested to know what u mean by 'i didn't listen to those who know'....do you mean that you found their explanation more plausible?

Originally Posted by XLR8A

Of course analogue synths it's more fun, but in the end of a day - your music is what's really important, not the kit list you used to create it.

Yes. However.....I find myself drawn to those who obviously make use of alot of true analogs and digital synths. No matter how good the song writing is...I find songs entirely made with softsynths etc to be utterly dull....particularly when played on high end hifi. BTW im not talking about Sony hi end...lol

Well Ive found this an invigorating experience....feel free to rip into my responses should you wish!

DS [/quote]

[Hollowcell]

Originally Posted by XLR8A

your music
is what's really important, not the kit list you used to create it.

True for sure. Many people do have a status associated with gear - hense the crazy prices. But comming from the digital world into analogue, I must say I'm sort of opposite to you with what you think about the analogues.

I guess it comes down to the sounds you really want to create. I know some of the newest sounds I've created are the best I've ever created (for my taste) and could never have been made with-out my favourite bass synth of the moment (CS-10). It's all personal taste though isn't it.

I buy analogue synths for bass and bass only. I find I can fill the bass end up qucker and easier with a single voiced mono than with any of my other gear.

Like I said already though - it's all personal taste.