The musicians are almost extinct

[meisenhower]

To all on this forum, it wasn't my intent to go on a crusade in defense of pianists, keyboard players or the like. I was merely responding to the "original" spirit of this thread that "musicians" by both "my personal definition" and obviously, the person who started this thread's definition.

What ensued was a battle for words between two people who come from very different musical experiences (genre, training, style and most importantly, philosophy).

I certainly don't wish to continue a pointless diatribe, particularly when there is absolutely no willingness by the other parties to consider a different view.

I made an effort to clarify my position, and was accused of trying to "rosey up" to the forum. Frankly, I won't lose any sleep over it.

My only reason for joining this forum, was to gain some insight and perspective on my latest gear acquisition (Virus TI Kbd) and not to debate the relative merits of other peoples music and how they create it.

That being said, to Marc (Evil), I have no interest in participating in a "grudge match" to satisfy your juvenile tendencies. Feel free to go on about "how I won't put up, so I have to shut up." If that makes you feel victorious, then enjoy your feeling. My time can be better spent doing virtually anything else than responding to your ridiculous proposition. I've nothing to prove and my music stands on it's own merits (as do the performances, all done in real time, live in the studio).

Like it? Don't like it? Don't care?

Fine with me!

I'll not dignify any further negative commentary on this thread, so happy reading!

[IamEvil]

Originally Posted by meisenhower

To all on this forum, it wasn't my intent to go on a crusade in defense of pianists, keyboard players or the like. I was merely responding to the "original" spirit of this thread that "musicians" by both "my personal definition" and obviously, the person who started this thread's definition.

What ensued was a battle for words between two people who come from very different musical experiences (genre, training, style and most importantly, philosophy).

I certainly don't wish to continue a pointless diatribe, particularly when there is absolutely no willingness by the other parties to consider a different view.

You posted a post which you knew would cause a backlash and that you would get called out for - hence you typing "Flame Away" at the end.

Once called out, you then resorted to not only attempting to insult my old music but also personally insult me. Luckily I don't really give much of a shit about many things in life , espeically what some random annonymous person on the other side of the planet thinks about me.

That being said, to Marc (Evil), I have no interest in participating in a "grudge match" to satisfy your juvenile tendencies. Feel free to go on about "how I won't put up, so I have to shut up." If that makes you feel victorious, then enjoy your feeling. My time can be better spent doing virtually anything else than responding to your ridiculous proposition. I've nothing to prove and my music stands on it's own merits (as do the performances, all done in real time, live in the studio).

You think this is somehow about 1up manship for me ? bizarre

your whole debate in this thread has gone along the lines of "Hey I'm awesome , youre shit , I play live and you don't , youre a wanker , did I tell you how awesome I am ? oh and your music is shit"

Even this last "farewell" post of yours is based on your egotistical assumption that people on the internet actually give a fuck about you and your position.

I asked you to have competition because a) It would give me something challenging to do , b) it might be fun , c) it would show me how someone not into my style of music would interperate it.

obviously you being you took it as an act of war or whatever , but hey , it's all fun

happy new year

[feedingear]

Ah the hard done by 'jazz' muso. Seen enough of them at my time at WAAPA and their holier then thou, over the top arrogance.

Funnily enough, the truly talented individuals I have met in Jazz or otherwise are usually the most humble, focused, and easiest to socialise with. They care about MUSIC.. the end result. Connection from the creator to the listener.

[Zylfrax791]

Originally Posted by waxahachie

Well, I can see in youtube the decadence of the music and zero creativity and originality, mostly of the people don't play keyboards or don't even use one, looks like the artists now are the engineers and designers because sad to say almost all the people expend thousands and thousands of Dollars on music equipment just for play with them like toys with zero music knowledge, you can see the new fashion called "jam", the guys just switch on sequencers and arppregiators twist a little few knobs and they call that music, just patetic.
I believe the sequencers and the arppregiators are tools for help to play not a way to play music.

I suppose you have to expect this when you watch YouTube but I also see this in live performances as well. In the main genre that I'm into (industrial) everyone including myself sequences pretty much everything out in the studio and plays live lead keys to backing tracks because it would be next to impossible to play the multi-layer stuff from scratch. Industrial bands with lots of dough like NIN for instance also use a personal ear monitor click track that is synced up to the sequencers as well so they can be in time with their live drums etc...

That said, there are numerous bands that I have seen of lately in my area where from what I can tell don't play anything live at all. Dude is pounding away on an Octopad but it isn't in sync with the snare I'm hearing live and another guy is wailing away on a keyboard but again from my educated eye all the sound is really coming out of their ipod or whatever they are using. Half the time I'm not even sure if the vocalist is really singing or lip syncing as well.

Anyway, in my previous band and current band I actually play keys that you can hear in the mix during pretty much the entire song. I know all the notes of my verses, choruses and bridges so I don't feel like I'm cheating people that pay money to come see a live show, not see a bunch of air guitar performers....

Realistically, if I could find enough talented people I'd honestly try to pull the whole thing off live. It would take 2 good drummers and probably at least 2 additional keyboard players. Of all the bands that I listen to Combichrist probably comes the closest to a pure live industrial show. Thats my take on the subject...

[suzzymackenzie]

Yesterday I caught the tail end of an ordinary pop tune delivered by Little Boots and her band at the Reading fest. As the song wound up, LB started fiddling with en electronic device (was it the Tenori-On?), waving her palm over it and producing, arhythmically, stuttering cascades of random notes. I think the band may have been hoping she would just leave it alone. It seemed to me pure gimmickry that only interfered with the musicianship of the band. Just because a note can be generated doesn't mean it should be

[Spacer]

I think the topic's start point was that modern synthesizers were made life easy for everyone. Someone that doesnt know a think about making a track in 1 week or 2 can make track.

And I have to say yes it is exactly this, and this is dissapointing for some people that spent too much time of their life to create something that in the virus ti it can be made in 2 minutes...

The same example is with computers: from windows xp and over even a 5 year old kid can make an internet connection of dial up or dsl, on windows 98 you had to call the technician to do it (of course after that i learned, but for first time i did that), this is bad for technicians (good for the average user) but what we can do? life is like that,, always someone will need more and more time to study so to be recognisable that has more knowledge from someone average.

[LivePsy]

Music technology gear is just like a violin: its great in the hands of a talented person.

[Alakhai]

Originally Posted by LivePsy

Music technology gear is just like a violin: its great in the hands of a talented person.

sure. and I'm also sure that a talented musician will always overrun a less talented one, no matter the gear they have. Some weeks ago I heard a guy with a 303 and a JP8080 doing great stuff...then I thought "I've got a TI, a piano, a laptop, a Triton, a KaossPad and so on, why can't i play like him??"...I guess it's not only a matter of technical skill [I'm a nearly-accomplished pianist, I never had troubles with "notes" in electronic music] but you need to know your gear and how to use it

anyway, let me say that maybe one can make music without playing a key, and probably it could be even good music...but they will never have my pleasure in playing classical music on a piano [and, of course, playing romantic music for my girlfriend ], that's enough for me.

of course, my 2 cents. no need for "crusades"

[mitchiemasha]

I'll never be a musician. I bought my Virus as a toy. Something I just love to play with. I wanted 1, I saved and I bought. I play on it every day. Very badly too but it entertains me.