Virus Ti anygood to make hip hop joint ?? - Page 3 - The Unofficial Access Virus & Virus TI Forum

bj2001 · #21 22.03.2005, 01:05 AM

yeah but i heard most producers on the westcoast (Dr Dre, Dj QUik, Fredwreck) use the Nord Lead
cos the interface is quicker.
But then they must have mo' synth in their studio like an A6, Triton, Nord Lead, Waldorf Q to make mo' complex beats.

So i'm lookin' to a versatile synth. & i guess the TI is the real deal.

After havin' a Clavia G2, a NL3, not enuff multi parts, no FX.

I just hope the menu & OS on the TI is better thought to make quick edit (mo' dedicated buttons) & create ya own patch.

EnjoyRC · #22 22.03.2005, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ben crosland

I've just been making some very phat basses on mine

Just have to rub it in... eh?

Hollowcell · #23 22.03.2005, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ben crosland

Well, put it like this - if an oscillator module within a VA engine has some eq built into it, then you're going to see a different waveform from one that doesn't. But if you have eq applied later in the signal, you're still going to see a different waveform from one that doesn't, so long as it can't be bypassed.

This is interesting, but it still doesn't change the fact that the Virus needs alot of unison to match the oomph of some other synths (just using the built in EQs and analogue just isn't enough). It's not putting the OSCs down though, because the Virus definitely has a desirable characture - it's just there's no denying the facts.

Let's say compare the Virus to the Nord2......

The Nord seems more capable of solid bass, punchier mids and cleaner highs than the Virus without the use of EQ. Of course this in itself doesn't mean it's sound better or worse - personal taste after all.

Maybe getting them for free may help with my comparisons though.

Tomer=Trance · #24 22.03.2005, 10:42 AM

i think alot of hip hop producers hire a programer.

about bass sounds

ersonaly i dont use the virus for bass parts because i dont find it fat enough for button end analog basses (and i do know how to program a synth...)
its realy hard to get fat juno 60/106 or minimoog type of bass sounds (saw and pulse basses...).

marc · #25 22.03.2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollowcell

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Originally Posted by ben crosland

Well, put it like this - if an oscillator module within a VA engine has some eq built into it, then you're going to see a different waveform from one that doesn't. But if you have eq applied later in the signal, you're still going to see a different waveform from one that doesn't, so long as it can't be bypassed.

This is interesting, but it still doesn't change the fact that the Virus needs alot of unison to match the oomph of some other synths (just using the built in EQs and analogue just isn't enough). It's not putting the OSCs down though, because the Virus definitely has a desirable characture - it's just there's no denying the facts.

Let's say compare the Virus to the Nord2......

The Nord seems more capable of solid bass, punchier mids and cleaner highs than the Virus without the use of EQ. Of course this in itself doesn't mean it's sound better or worse - personal taste after all.

Maybe getting them for free may help with my comparisons though.

to me that's a common misunderstanding. unison mode used in bass sounds is likely to make it NOT phatter at all (think phase cancellation). there is a reason why so many people (used) the TB for bass sounds and we all know that this baby does not have an unison mode

important to me is that the length of the bass note and the arrangement with the kick makes musical sense. it is all about giving the bass space to coexist with the rest... and of course, compressing helps as well.

marc

Timo · #26 22.03.2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

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Originally Posted by Hollowcell

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Originally Posted by ben crosland

Well, put it like this - if an oscillator module within a VA engine has some eq built into it, then you're going to see a different waveform from one that doesn't. But if you have eq applied later in the signal, you're still going to see a different waveform from one that doesn't, so long as it can't be bypassed.

This is interesting, but it still doesn't change the fact that the Virus needs alot of unison to match the oomph of some other synths (just using the built in EQs and analogue just isn't enough). It's not putting the OSCs down though, because the Virus definitely has a desirable characture - it's just there's no denying the facts.

Let's say compare the Virus to the Nord2......

The Nord seems more capable of solid bass, punchier mids and cleaner highs than the Virus without the use of EQ. Of course this in itself doesn't mean it's sound better or worse - personal taste after all.

Maybe getting them for free may help with my comparisons though.

to me that's a common misunderstanding. unison mode used in bass sounds is likely to make it NOT phatter at all (think phase cancellation). there is a reason why so many people (used) the TB for bass sounds and we all know that this baby does not have an unison mode

important to me is that the length of the bass note and the arrangement with the kick makes musical sense. it is all about giving the bass space to coexist with the rest... and of course, compressing helps as well.

marc

Hi Marc, layering via Unison (but without any Detune) on the Virus does tend to make the sound a lot more chunky. There was a thread about this recently, somewhere....

[Edit: Found it: http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/vie...?p=30350#30350 ]

Hollowcell · #27 23.03.2005, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by marc

to me that's a common misunderstanding. unison mode used in bass sounds is likely to make it NOT phatter at all (think phase cancellation). there is a reason why so many people (used) the TB for bass sounds and we all know that this baby does not have an unison mode

marc

Comparing the Virus to an Analogue is a whole different topic Marc. Kinda funny you even brought it up. With Bass, a single OSC from a nice Analogue with very little processing blows the Virus away. Even the most solid Virus supporters won't deny this. Even the guys working for the company itself.

I was talking about completely dry, unprocessed sounds from the Virus when compared to a nord. Just to get the oomph of the Nord, the Virus needs processing, unison or both. I don't use the Virus for bass at all any more for this very reason. For my music it just doesn't seem to get what I want without heavy processing. For pads, FX and even leads on occasion it's great!

My opinion on this isn't just a one off either. Many people feel the same way about the Virus range. Once again though, it's not such a big deal, because the Virus has a great characture which makes it a truely inspirational instrument to play.

Like I said, give me one for free and maybe my opinions will be more biast.

ben crosland · #28 23.03.2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hollowcell

Like I said, give me one for free and maybe my opinions will be more biast.

Nothing comes for free, my friend

DIGITAL SCREAMS · #29 23.03.2005, 09:40 AM

Hang on a sec....

since when has a synth *ever* been good at everything? For me, the Virus' strongest points are its ability to make silky dynamic pads and 'outhere' effects. Personally I dont choose to use it for bass or leads.....because I have Prophets and Jupiters for those duties. Lucky me I guess.

DS

ben crosland · #30 23.03.2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DIGITAL SCREAMS

Hang on a sec....

since when has a synth *ever* been good at everything? For me, the Virus' strongest points are its ability to make silky dynamic pads and 'outhere' effects. Personally I dont choose to use it for bass or leads.....because I have Prophets and Jupiters for those duties. Lucky me I guess.

DS

The new oscillators should go some way towards addressing this - Hypersaw is great for bass IMO (especially the 'Hypersquare' sub w/sync) and the wavetables can make some great leads. 80's sounds are a doddle to make as well, DS..