timing-sync problem with Ti Snow analogue outs

[madstyle]

Hello,

I own a Virus Ti Snow and I would like to use the analogue outputs connected to an external mixer, but I have extreme Timing (synchronisation) problems with it. Using USB-connection of the virus, everything is in time. I use a Firewire Soundcard (Edirol FA-101) which is connected to an analogue mixer and the Virus is also connected to that mixer, so there shouldn’t be any problem with delay time, isn’t it?
But I already read the thread about the quality of analogue out vs. USB out. Is this because the synchronisation in my host (Ableton Live is at 44.1 kHz and 16 Bit (audio clock) and Virus out is 192khz 24/bit. Where I can find the config menu where I can set audio clock to (44.1, 48 khz or synced host). Is it relevant for my problem or where is the mistake. Thank you very much for any help in that issue.

[HUEY]

I don not think it has something to do with your "bit-rate"

The analog outputs are not automatic "delay-compensated" when using it with Virus control, like the USB-outs are
You must adjust the delay compensation by hand in your sequencer

br

[madstyle]

Thank you for your reply. I tried to adjust the delay time manually but it seems to make some problems. The delay time of the analogue out of the virus is how many milliseconds?

If I use for example my clavia nord modular G2 at the same way how I want to do it for the virus (direct connection to a mixer, not soundcard!), there is no need for delay compensation. Only if you connect an external synthesizer to the input of a soundcard for recording there is a delay of audio signal.

[Timo]

Analogue outputs are instant, zero latency (give or take). No delay like USB. You shouldn't need delay compensation?

[HUEY]

Originally Posted by Timo

Analogue outputs are instant, zero latency (give or take). No delay like USB.

I think you are right, but then the are ahead of the rest of your DAW? That's what I mean

When I use the analog outs in combination with the USB outs, the analog outs are also out of time and I can adjust this manualy. It will give some trouble when using ARP's etc and start/stop the sequencer many times

b.t.w. my analog outs goes into my analog mixer, not directly in my soundcard as ""external instrument"

maybe you can find extro info here
http://www.access-music.de/forum/ind...ID=46&pageNo=3

Edit:
@Madstyle, I see you are already in this thread
best r

[spdk]

Hello there,

How many milliseconds do I have to compensate if I want to the analog outputs, and would that be + or - ?

@Madstyle, I have exactly the same problems, I saw in the other thread that everything works fine with your setup now, can you help me a bit with his? Thanks

[peke]

i think it's 44.1khz/16bit quality through usb and 192khz/24bit quality on trs output when speaking about audio, the delay compensation in latency you need to set the rest mixer channels at 91.07ms when live button is not on (not white ligh) and 11.61ms when the live button is on (light on) at stop mode...the one with more latency is more stable when it comes to stability with midinotes.

[madstyle]

yes I tried it and I wondered it is not a negative delay time which is typically to enter at audio input, you have to add + 80 or something I empirically tried at your midi channel! It is not necessary with my Nord Modular (same configuration, but not VST)!

[shnex]

Hey good people!

I believe the reason you encounter more latency when using the analogue outs is because even when using the analogue outs, the Virus still sends the audio "up" to the computer, then back down to the virus (all digitally), the Virus then has to convert a digital signal to analogue.

Basically, that pretty much doubles the latency you had in the first place using the USB out.
I don't know if that's possible, but maybe you can try using the Direct out for all the parts, as this bypasses the whole "journey" to the computer and back.

[shnex]

Hey good people!

I believe the reason you encounter more latency when using the analogue outs is because even when using the analogue outs, the Virus still sends the audio "up" to the computer, then back down to the virus (all digitally), the Virus then has to convert a digital signal to analogue.

Basically, that pretty much doubles the latency you had in the first place using the USB out.
I don't know if that's possible, but maybe you can try using the Direct out for all the parts, as this bypasses the whole "journey" to the computer and back.