Virus C vs Virus Snow?

[TweakHead]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE_34BptS7w

found this on the recommended for you list on youtube.

[namnibor]

Originally Posted by TweakHead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE_34BptS7w

found this on the recommended for you list on youtube.

Dave Smith IS THE MAN!~! He actually has the same humble persona as I had seen in many Robert Moog interviews and colloquiems...he absolutely has a PASSION for what he does and it shows! I am still quite amazed every time I turn-on the MEK; it BEGS you to turn knobs and create the still yet uncreated! My cat seems to be quite fascinated by the massive LED light show of the sequencer in-action!
Thanks for sharing that! That Prophet 600 Dave mentioned as the FIRST midi-capable synth from his then-company Sequential Circuits, was my first polyphonic synth after learning synthesis on MS20 and wish I had kept that thing!

[TweakHead]

Yeah, in a way you're lucky you got to learn with such great stuff... I learned mostly with stuff like Rob Papen's Albino eheh.

You're lucky you're going to get the Korg back

[namnibor]

Originally Posted by TweakHead

Yeah, in a way you're lucky you got to learn with such great stuff... I learned mostly with stuff like Rob Papen's Albino eheh.

You're lucky you're going to get the Korg back

However, realize that for QUITE a while, my keyboard playing was limited while active duty officer in military, to a real wooden acoustic piano simply because of where different places stationed. Of course, that real piano is my roots so-to-speak, so that was my recreational "release" spending many hours in the piano room when not lifting weights and swimming.
There's been ALOT of new methods of modulation and various matrices that admitedly am still learning as I go as far as "playing catch-up". Told myself WHEN surviving and ultimately medically retired military disability pension--that I would build-up a synth-based studio for many therapeutic benefits;keeping mind active, and literally physical and mental therapy to fight PTSD....and now it's a reality and have everything kind of taken apart now, with a final plan of effectively connecting everything, using midi extensively--however, I will be recording primarily audio only.
So as you mentioned once, it's "full-circle" because I may have a bit more hardware experience, but it certainly also means i have alot to learn from the likes of you on many levels. Good forums facilitate this without all the ego and crap that you definitely find on some of the other so-called "pro forums".
Dave Smith said something interesting in that clip about how it's not usually an interface's problem with midi--it's moreso the way in which a given manufacturer IMPLIMENTS midi protocol and makes use of available bandwidth---do I hear a cat-call towards Access and Virus Control? LOL!

[MBTC]

Changing the subject a little from the way the C vs. the Snow sounds, can someone tell me how total polyphony compares between the two? I've seen spec sheets that say the C upgraded the B's total polyphony from 24 to 32, then when you look for similar specs on the Snow, consensus seems to be "20-50 depending on patch".

I know the snow has more features, and some of those features could potentially use more DSP resources, but what I am looking for is an understanding of how the raw processing power between the two compares, for example for a patch on the C will you get the same, more, or (yikes) less playable notes if you load same on the Snow?

Thanks for any input.

[namnibor]

Originally Posted by MBTC

Changing the subject a little from the way the C vs. the Snow sounds, can someone tell me how total polyphony compares between the two? I've seen spec sheets that say the C upgraded the B's total polyphony from 24 to 32, then when you look for similar specs on the Snow, consensus seems to be "20-50 depending on patch".

I know the snow has more features, and some of those features could potentially use more DSP resources, but what I am looking for is an understanding of how the raw processing power between the two compares, for example for a patch on the C will you get the same, more, or (yikes) less playable notes if you load same on the Snow?

Thanks for any input.

I know this is not empirical evidence, but buddy of mine had a snow and because she could *only* get Virus Control to work on Cubase in her testing and she determined she hated Cubase, and dynamic voice allocation of Snow made her only wish she had the desktop TI2, she now is back to using Virus KC and sold the Snow. Like her, I am YET to run into any major polyphony issues with the Virus C, and have built some intense patches. But, will also say that I have not tried using a built-up Multi just from the KC itself as it seems to make more sense and be easier to do that through Reaper DAW or any DAW.
She is a very technical person and she could not justify expense of the Ti or Ti2 when Virus Control still is unresolved, unless you use Cubase and use absolutely NOTHING else connected anywhere via USB. She determined that the Virus suffers from "bandwidth starvation", regardless of what people at Access state.
Thought to share this with you as you seemed to have a lot of trouble with Virus Control from reading a lot of past threads (amongst others having issues with VC). So with the Snow it looks like you *may* still have VC issues, plus the polyphony limitation inherent in a "budget Ti called Snow".

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by namnibor

I know this is not empirical evidence, but buddy of mine had a snow and because she could *only* get Virus Control to work on Cubase in her testing and she determined she hated Cubase, and dynamic voice allocation of Snow made her only wish she had the desktop TI2, she now is back to using Virus KC and sold the Snow. Like her, I am YET to run into any major polyphony issues with the Virus C, and have built some intense patches. But, will also say that I have not tried using a built-up Multi just from the KC itself as it seems to make more sense and be easier to do that through Reaper DAW or any DAW.
She is a very technical person and she could not justify expense of the Ti or Ti2 when Virus Control still is unresolved, unless you use Cubase and use absolutely NOTHING else connected anywhere via USB. She determined that the Virus suffers from "bandwidth starvation", regardless of what people at Access state.
Thought to share this with you as you seemed to have a lot of trouble with Virus Control from reading a lot of past threads (amongst others having issues with VC). So with the Snow it looks like you *may* still have VC issues, plus the polyphony limitation inherent in a "budget Ti called Snow".

I'm now using Cubase on Windows, so that may help in terms of Virus Control (actually a lot of VSTs work better on Cubase since it is basically the reference platform for VST compatibility), but having working software integration might not be mandatory for me if I lower my price point and therefore my standards a bit (for example I can overlook a lot if I'm dealing in the price range of a used C or maybe a Snow).

I once owned a Ti2 desktop, and was not happy with the polyphony or overall processing power of a single patch at the given price point so I returned it. However, the 64bit drivers for Virus had just been released at the time, I was not using Cubase, and it's possible that I would be happy with one now.

Rhetoric aside though what I really need to know is how the raw DSP power of the Snow compares to the C. From the experience your friend had, it sounds like the Snow has less voices than the C? Or maybe you're saying it uses a type of dynamic note stealing that was not a feature of the C? Either way I'd be very interested in getting to the root of this.

I think the "Snow vs C?" question is one that a lot of people want to know and keeps coming up, but comparing the official Access specs on paper, at least with regard to polyphony and/or overall DSP processing power, seems to invoke more questions that it answers.