1.1.1 public beta out for download....

[Arksun]

Originally Posted by Timo

PS > Arksun..... of 'Arisen'?

One and the same yes.

It's heartbreaking it really is, i KNOW i could create some incredible sounds on this and using them to good effect in future productions but, am I hanging onto a false love, never to be fulfilled by endless instability?

All I care about is a stable studio, instability totally drains my desire to create.

I do still have to wait back from access support (curious how they responded back immediately to my initial bug report, but after sending the reply with the enclosed mp3 outlining the issues, its gone quiet..), but the temptation to call up the shop tomorrow and ask for a refund right now is overwelming.

[rapidfire]

Originally Posted by blay

I would be happy even if only the good old fashioned midi was stable on the TI...

Im still making use of the unit with numerous workarounds - but the fact I have to record numerous takes to get one without crackles and hiss certainly gets frustrating.

cheers

Blay

Yeah, me too!!
I do got some gear in my studio, so I will manage, like good reverbs from TC etc.
It's so frustrating not being able to benefit from the reverbs on the TI as they are blistering in sound, and also so versatile over a vide range of sounds...


To Arksun:

Yes, I also have been enjoying the SN2 for a long time, and never witnessed any instability what so ever. It also got 8 RAM banks which makes storing patches a breeze!

I have heard brilliant tracks by you, Paul and Envio, also Menno of course, and I know they had some issues before the 1.1 became available...

The strange part is that if their OS/ hardware is working that good with screaming settings/ loads of parts in the plugin, why is ours behaving the exact opposite?
Delays and reverbs including special settings in EQ is everyting in this genre, so I just don't see that they can get so much out of their synths when we cannot...
But then again, they do know their tweaking and settings, so they certainly are telling the truth, of course.

Do you know specifically how many parts they can/ are using with effects...both delay/ reverb?

[Arksun]

Originally Posted by rapidfire

Do you know specifically how many parts they can/ are using with effects...both delay/ reverb?

*asks Paul over msn*

Here's a cut n paste:

Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
how many parts do ya have running simultaneous.. and are they like full on sounds, loads of fx on each , reverb delays eqs etc
Paul Moelands says:
well yeah obvisouly
Paul Moelands says:
around 6 sounds simult
Paul Moelands says:
fxed and all
Paul Moelands says:
lots of triggers
Paul Moelands says:
etc
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
some of those hypersaw using presets?
Paul Moelands says:
yeah
Paul Moelands says:
kind of
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
ok, i'm gonna put this in the forum thread about it if ya dont mind, some people just dont believe some TI's are indeed stable. lol
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
i'm very much not alone in the dodgy TI front it seems
Paul Moelands says:
what forum thread?
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
http://infekted.org/viewtopic.php?p=57311#57311
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
i'll just copy n paste this text to if if thats ok
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
?
Paul Moelands says:
what text?
Paul Moelands says:

Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
what we just wrote above! lol
Paul Moelands says:
well the thing is.. i know i have one of the first batch released ti's
Paul Moelands says:
i dont know if they changed anything after the big hog of pre-orders in their hardware
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
hmmm, this is really whats concerning quite a few of us, is there a fundamental dodgy batch of hardware out there
Paul Moelands says:
for all i know, i can now work without problems on as much as i tried, it hasnt crashed on me yet since that new update and it seems VERY stable and very willing to work with me, totally opposite of before, when it was drifting in and out of sync and shite like that
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
have you tried it in midi mode again?
Paul Moelands says:
no
Paul Moelands says:
i wont!
Paul Moelands says:
i refuse
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
lol
Paul Moelands says:
now it works, it should keep working!
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
haha ok, dont wanna break it

..I think that covers it.

[blay]

[rapidfire]

Thanks, Arksun!!

Well, I have tried to reduce some effects and I can get up to 6 parts as well....(in the plugin).
As I see it at this point, the synth ain't ready for accessive effects use, which means we trance producer have to use external plugs, especially for reverb effects!
I do believe my synthesizer is one of the 'healthy' ones...so far...
What we was praised, do not seem to deliver at all.
This is very sad for all of us.

Forget midi mode as Paul says, and use the plugin only, if you don't discover the reverb hiss like me, which doesen't appear in midi mode....strange or what?

[djencode]

Originally Posted by rapidfire

Couldn't have agreed more!

The reason why I got into this synthesizer was its unique effects section:
- 16 parts, each with its own dedicated reverb and delay section!
Thats it, and I paid ?1550 for this to work.
What did I get....
- 3 parts in standard midi operation, though working perfectly and flawlessly, but that's not what I paid for at all.

The really frustrating aspect is that the plugin is better on some features, and the standard midi with cables is better on something else....
This is just terrible, and with the new 1.1.1 things is only 3-4% better in my case...now what the hell is that all about, me being reporting exact problems to Access since December last year!!
This feels like a dead end street, nothing to gain at all.
I think I have to return this synthesizer, and get a NL3 instead for now.
I will most likely get the TI at a later stage, if those specific issues get straightened out all together!

im assuming neither of you have tried running KORE. now you want to talk about lemons, there is king lemon. out of the box the buttons were cheap, the job wheel was crooked, the only thing that was nice about its construction is the touch sensitive knobs. the display has streaks on it etc. i load the thing up, use it as an audio card (this device requires usb 2.0 so it's already got more bandwith than the TI) and with 2 synths i get crackles and pops, just having it plugged in with nothing else running it takes 30% of my cpu, i set assignments and they bugger up and glitch. and this is all in standalone mode. i don't dare try it in a sequencer.


now compared to that my TI has been great. standalone works without a hitch for me apart from mabye a arp drift that im not noticing or not to caring about since i usually turn off arp and program the rhythms myself. i've driven the piss outta this thing ( 2 fully stacked hypersaws, slave mode 3rd osc, 8 unison with full detune, delay, phaser, chorus, distortion, eq, and analog boost all driving, analog mode 4 pole filter and high pass filter going, pressing like every key i could put my fingers on all at once. ) no clicks , no pops, no crackling, no dropouts, no crashes. everything is perfect.

in VC depending on the sequencer they have their unique bugs. a non fully updated cubase sx 3 has some issues with switching patches and modifying sounds. a non fully updated ableton live 5 has issues with the occasional crackle and pop. if i try to make the latency higher to compensate, it goes crazy on me. kore is perfect just the lag is through the roof.

so all in all, i mostly use the virus standalone anyhow, and it works perfect for me in that regard since i basically haven't left it alone all week.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by Sleepwalker

Can we get our money back? Ive had mine for about 3 months...

Not sure. She bought the Polar and rigorously tested it out within the 30days limit, along with a friend who also bought another Polar.
They contacted Access due to various bugs (midi bugs, hanging notes, notes playing by themselves etc.), but I believe they both had probs with the Virus starting up (ie. no sound on initial power-up without being manipulated via various key-presses/workarounds) and the SatanScreech at random - both in standalone mode, and in OS 1.1 - so both Polars are going back. She absolutely and utterly loved the synth, so she's naturally gutted, but she couldn't live with the prospect of the DevilScreech being launched into her ear at random.

Arksun, nice to have you here! Arisen is easily in my top 5 for 2006. Armin opened his 250th 'A State Of Trance' radio show with Arisen when playing out live at the Asta (Netherlands) last month.
Loads of good tunes out at the mo, too. Also loved White Sand by Sunlounger (played after your track on ASOT 250). Catchy as phuq! Cowboy/hawaiian trance, yeehaa

[TOTAL]

1.09 hotfix
1.1.1 public beta
...WTF?


Hi trance producers and all. For clarity I’ll divide my post into parts.





Compromise

Your posts have made me realise how much compromise I have accepted since I bought the TI as a USB 2.0 compatible device capable of 1800 playing voices simultaneously from Sound And Drumland music store in Berlin, Germany ( http://www.sound-and-drumland.de ) in early February 2k6.

Not entirely precise arpeggiator, system hangups, satan saw, clicks – these are things which I have learnt to live with. As I am not recording a CD yet so I can theoretically tolerate these issues now.

At this stage I see I treat TI like an „ill” band-mate, moody, unreliable, boasting as the 7th wonder, glorified by 58 mags as the best you can get in 2006.. Did those mags test the TI or accept some advertisement purchase instead?
(Besides, has the year finished?)


Way fewer than the quoted 1800 voices, up to 2-4 fully effect-loaded parts playable at a time, not without tempo artefacts though, make me create things totally different from what I had the right to expect given the flashy advertisements. Wanted to make trance; I actually make simple quiet tunes with without arpeggiators. That is what my TI enables. Some may say „I do make trance, what is your excuse now?”. But do not know any of them personally.

I fully agree with the previous posters trance without arps or loads of fx, even as simple as reverb or delay is no longer this genre.




Access policy

Access policy is dishonest. The way I see it is they try to maintain the image of things being under control. To give an example, on their website the date of release of v1.1, previously 02.2006 has now been replaced with Q2.2006. In my opinion changing this detail this way is a manipulation. Instead of adding another entry in the news they change a tiny detail in the older one. Prospective buyers may think everything is happening as planned; old users may not notice the change, as I didn’t at first. What we get in June 2006 is beta version preceded by a post from Marc of Access preparing us to accept the fact that v1.1 (supposedly the non-beta!) will NOT solve all the widely reported issues.

What is this last .1 BTW? Does that mean that they have gone even further than they had planned with the development of the TI?
These version numbers are purely arbitrary, but imply that 1.1.1b although still at beta stage, is more than v1.1 scheduled for February. Having given it a thought I guess it stands for beta 1, which means „expect more betas before you get what you paid for”.

They have removed the infekted forum from the links on their site. What they „patronize” is the forgotten virusti and ampfea list; now, which excited potential buyer will dig in a list? No matter how serious fault you report there it gets drowned soon. As another consequence we don’t even realise how many posts have been left unanswered by Access Support Team. (mine: 5 in the least)




Selective response from Access

Once I contacted them about relatively unimportant matters like sysex issues in cubase sx, I got quick response (saying it is cubase’s fault), but as I referred to clicks both in VC and midi mode and sent them a mp3 sample in return I got a delayed answer implying a need to buy a mixer to protect my amp from further breakdowns. How long do I have to wait until it is „objectively” apparent that they have ignored the mail asking them a simple quiestion: Do I need to replace my TI or wait, if wait – how long roughly?



Satisfied/dissatisfied ratio

One of the arguments of the Access supporters is that the image of reliability of Virus TI devices can be distorted by the fact that the dissatisfied obviously have more things to write. But the counterargument is that thousands of VirusTI users worldwide may not speak English, may consider it futile to write, finally, may not know of infekted forum. What they learn from ampfea or Access Team directly is they need to buy more ware like mixer, dedicated USB cards, midi compatible cards, better cards, upgrade for cubase, nuendo, live (only the latest versions are said by Access to be supported), exchange the VST hosts (before Virus TI was said to be compatible with all VST hosts, now Access officially don’t care about such popular hosts as f.e. Traktion), reinstall the system, buy a better USB cable (sic! a device for 1700 euros up is not provided with a good cable), reinstall the drivers and many more.





Conclusion

The fact that after so many months since the product was launched the new buyers still report serious HARDWARE issues even in midi mode like clicks, system hangups etc. indicate that exchange for a new TI is no solution.

Music creation process of many users is seriously drained by TI problems, me among them, unfortunately. How many of us – it’s hard to even imagine. Does it really matter that some after all virtual entities (no offence) say their TIs work fine? If it does, let’s make a poll. But what matters for me personally is that:

1. can’t make music I bought Virus TI for, or even the way it is said to operate
2. among other things my TI produces clicks, but the Access team do not care
3. VirusTI was sold to me as a USB 2.0 device ( http://www.sound-and-drumland.de/ite...-0-0-7473.html)
4. as I visited http://www.access-music.de to get the upgrade to from a Hotfix to a Public Beta One (!) I saw an announcement that Virus TI is acclaimed as the no.1 synth of 2006.


I am seriously considering returning the Virus TI Desktop I have on the grounds its specifications as given by the dealer being FALSE.

[djencode]

Originally Posted by TOTAL

Not entirely precise arpeggiator, system hangups, satan saw, clicks ? these are things which I have learnt to live with. As I am not recording a CD yet so I can theoretically tolerate these issues now.

At this stage I see I treat TI like an ?ill? band-mate, moody, unreliable, boasting as the 7th wonder, glorified by 58 mags as the best you can get in 2006.. Did those mags test the TI or accept some advertisement purchase instead?
(Besides, has the year finished?)


Way fewer than the quoted 1800 voices, up to 2-4 fully effect-loaded parts playable at a time, not without tempo artefacts though, make me create things totally different from what I had the right to expect given the flashy advertisements. Wanted to make trance; I actually make simple quiet tunes with without arpeggiators. That is what my TI enables. Some may say ?I do make trance, what is your excuse now??. But do not know any of them personally.

I fully agree with the previous posters trance without arps or loads of fx, even as simple as reverb or delay is no longer this genre.

im sorry but i have to disagree. if you think you need arps and hardware reverb and delay to be "trance" you really need to re-evaluate your qualities as a musician. i never use arps because i think they are a form of cheating, i program all my rhythms myself. the presets that have arps on my synth work fine. i made some tracks with heavy everything with no troubles. perhaps it is as some people said, defective hardware?

[TOTAL]

Look at the title of the thread. No use arguing about this here. You don't need arp, I do. PM me a link to your music.