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Doc Jones 07.06.2008 11:57 PM

Interesting Post on the clipping = distortion concept.
 
A guy over on the Ableton forum made a youtube video that demonstrated that you can push your tracks into the red (over 0dB) in a 32 bit float daw and not incur any distortion into your audio signal.

This was kind of eye opening as I always thought that anything above 0dB in the digital world was bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oipad34MYn4

note, make sure your volume is turned down when he starts the test tone.

XLR8A 08.06.2008 06:37 PM

oh noes...

Onkel Dunkel 08.06.2008 09:10 PM

I think the reason for this to work is because 32 floating point decimal means that the values are constantly calculated (that´s why it´s floating) so when he lowers the volume so that it peaks under 0 dB the shape is calculated back to a pure sine . It will be shite if you export to 16 or 24 bit wave file...

Some nerdy techniocal stuff about floating point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_point

Doc Jones 08.06.2008 11:11 PM

maybe I am missing something, but I thought he actually did export the +8dB audio file to a wav file and then reimported it back into ableton live? Then when he zoomed in on the wav file, it showed that it wasn't distorted.

Onkel Dunkel 09.06.2008 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc Jones (Post 282168)
maybe I am missing something, but I thought he actually did export the +8dB audio file to a wav file and then reimported it back into ableton live? Then when he zoomed in on the wav file, it showed that it wasn't distorted.

He exported to a 32 bit floating point wave file that he re-imported. It was first when he turned down the volume that it wasn´t distorted (he doesn´t show the waveform before he has turned down the volume).

From video:
Quote:

Bring the volume down -18 you will see an undistorted sine wave.
He also points out that it will only work with 32 bit floating point format:

Quote:

The mastering process to anything but a 32 bit float format is when you need to worry about clipping.
So mixdowns to CD quality is a big NO NO...

Doc Jones 09.06.2008 04:19 PM

ah, ok. thanks for clarifying that onkel.

so then my thought that I should keep each track's signal below 0dB still the proper way to work?

Onkel Dunkel 10.06.2008 05:28 AM

Well as long as your audio tracks are recorded in 32 bit floating point and you keep the the overall volume under 0 dB when doing mixdowns to less than 32 bit you should be on the safe side (i think). But to be on the safe side i would keep below 0 dB in each track...


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