64 bit OS..
 

I guess this has probably been asked dozens of times before, but I tried the search thingy and it doesn't seem to be working today... So sorry for what is probably a repeat question...

Ok, so, I know it says in various places (and I have been forewarned of this anyway) that Virus Control doesn't work on 64 bit OS's, is there any way to get around this restriction?

I've planned for this anyway but if I can get the software to install under Vista 64 it means I'll be able to start using Virus Control a few weeks earlier. Which would be nice :>

Anyone have a handy workaround for me to try? :>


-Annikk

No work around to install Virus Control... trust me, I've been trying for a year! You are not alone in your quest to make Virus TI work with 64-bit. Please email Virus support and let them know you need it. The more people who do, the better.

Here's what I do: INstalled Virus TI on another computer on my LAN. Use MIDI Over Lan to control it. Use "Standalone VSTi Host" (Savi Host) to use Virus Control for browsing and selecting patches. However you get audio back to your DAW depends on your setup. But that will get you started.

here here
 

Just adding my support/request for a 64-bit driver soon Access... if you're reading this could you consider releasing one soon?
Trying out the Windows 7 beta has really sparked my interest in finally moving to x64.

I understand this is not a trivial issue (as discussed by marc on the VirusTI.com forums previously). I do feel like the time is approaching however. 64-bit support (requires VC to be rewritten as a VST3 plugin no?) is becoming a high priority for many.

Thanks guys :)

Sent to Access Support:


Dear Access Support,

I recently purchased a Virus TI KBD.

Please create a Virus Control that works in 64 bit operating systems, such as Windows XP 64. It is swiftly becoming a requirement for modern musicians to use 64 bit because of the demands of huge sample banks that many of us wish to use.

The main point of moving to 64 bit is so that you can go above 3.2 gig of logically addressed RAM.

These days quite a lot of musicians want to use enormous sample banks - gigabyte pianos, for example - and RAM is a real limiting factor here.

The problem arises because with 32 bit, it's basically 32 ones and zeroes, and these are used to form unique data "addresses" so your computer knows where in the RAM it has stored a particular piece of data. The number of memory locations that can be addressed reaches a swift limit with only 32 binary digits and this results in 32 bit computers/operating systems being physically unable to "see" any more than around 3.2 gigabytes of RAM.

With 64 binary digits (or "bits", as they are commonly known) the amount of RAM that can be addressed exponentially ascends into the realms of the arbitrary.

In an ideal world, my new DAW would be running Windows XP 64bit, and would have 16 gigabytes of RAM. As a DIRECT RESULT of VC's incompatability I have had to underspec it at 4gigs of ram running XP32 - and 0.8 of that will go completely to waste.

Cubase 5 is compatible with 64 bit OS's, so really the ONLY thing holding the upgrade back now is VC. It is a travesty that the Virus is Totally Integrated only with older technologies.

Making VC work in 64 bit OS's should be Access's number one priority for future updates to stay competitive in the market and ease the woes of its existing customers.


-Annikk

Probably a bit overkill with the description of why 64-bit is advantageous. Don't-cha think if they can design & program the Virus TI they already know what 64-bit operating systems are all about? :p

Good that you went to the effort to email though, cheers :)

Me too
 

Everything in my studio ready to go 64bit, except, well you know what. So please Access, here's one more vote for a 64bit driver.

Me too. It just doesn't feel right to have to use a back up computer to run virus control. The back up comp is crap while the computer I can't install it on is pretty much godly.

Yeah, probably. I thought it was better to provide some justification for my request rather than simply blurting it out with no backup.
Plus, I can never resist an opportunity to show my computer knowledge =P I sux.


-Annikk

Last I heard from Marc (over at virusti.com) on the subject, there seemed to be some confusion at Access over this one.

There's the issue of:

"64 bit drivers, 32 bit plug-in" vs. "64 bit drivers, 64 bit plug-in".

Marc (and Access) couldn't see the point in the former of those.

Personally, I'd take a 32 bit plug-in with drivers for Vista/Win7 64 bit as a first step since 32 bit Cubase potentially gets a fair bit more available memory when running under a 64 bit OS.

Needs doing ASAP and is already late IMO. I'm running Stormdrum 2, and am having to use DFD mode to cut down on memory use.

BTW - also waiting for Powercore drivers. Once these 2 arrive, I'll definitely be going 64 bit.

Running windows 7 with virus 32 bit plugin driver...??
 

Is anybody out there using this combinatio??

I'm wondering to start using 64 bit OS, and I would like to know if is anybody using that...

Thank you very much!!

NOTE: Access, please, come on 64 bit support... All my system is waiting for your step to go for 64 mode ... :(

The application doesn't need to actually operate in 64 bit mode, it can run in 32 bit mode if it likes. But we need it to run on a 64 bit operating system to get rid of the glass ceiling when it comes to RAM. The main reason for making one is not so that VC runs faster or better somehow by using 64bits to address memory locations, it would be so that you can run VC and also have more than 4gb of RAM. Pretty simple, if you ask me...

Is there a way to manually override the warning at the start of the VC installation that prevents installation on 64bit OS's? What would be the consequences of simply overriding it?

It would be funny if we figure out how to override the critical stop error message, install VC on 64bit OS anyway, and it turns out to work perfectly fine... :p


-Annikk

Yes!! would be wonderfull!!! Please, Access or the God Marc, is able to response that question... Is able to run in 64 bits mode using a 32 bit comm model??

Thank you very much!!

marc wouldn't try. this time i've consulted the oracle.

I figured it was pretty unlikely. I've known some programs to display behaviour like that before though, and when overridden, seem perfectly happy. Which is why I wondered. :>


-Annikk

There is a very simple reason you can't use the TI integration under 64-bit OSes, drivers MUST be 64-bit to work. Applications can use virtualization layers like WOW64 (Windows on Windows 64-bit) that allow 32-bit apps to run in a 64-bit OS, but you absolutely can not run 32-bit drivers in a 64-bit OS. The only way we will ever get this is for Access to write the 64-bit driver we need to talk to the TI over USB. In theory, a 32-bit Virus Control plugin could talk to a 64-bit TI driver using a host sequencer's bit bridge function, but my guess is that Access wants a pure 64-bit solution when they release it. This makes sense considering how DAWbench has shown that 32-bit plugins using bit bridge can take a serious performance hit due to the virtualization layer.

Its really frustrating too, considering I am about to upgrade the DAW to a Core i7 box with 6GB of RAM and over a 2TB disk volume, and I need 64-bit Windows to take advantage of both. Oh well, at least 32-bit XP will scream until Access gets their act together. Maybe I can get more native 64-bit plugins in that time as well.

Yeah, I've decided to just stick with 32bit and gather x64 native plugins until my Virus is (someday) ready for the switch :D

It would actually be really great timing if Access aimed for an x64 driver that (somewhat) coincides with the release of Windows 7, which is still about 6+ months away I believe. I'd much rather they got it working well than rushed it. Even if it came some time after then (NAMM 2010? :o )

Well its going to happen at some point. Everywhere I've read, Microsoft says Windows 7 is the last version of Windows that will maintain a 32-bit version. It's all 64-bit from Windows 8 onward...

Still kinda pissed TI OS 3 didn't come with the 64-bit drivers...

I'm not so bothered about not having 64 bit drivers right now (although it would be nice), but I am concerned that the Ti's life-span will allow for development of 64 bit drivers - if you see what I mean?

Will be buying a laptop in a couple of weeks time and it will be using the Vista Home Premium 64-bit OS. A Virus TI would be the only thing unsupported by it.

I'm sure if/when Access release 64-bit drivers, they will be for the TI 1 and 2. I think it would be bad business sense for them to do otherwise, given that the TI|1 must be their most popular synth yet.

Hope you're right.

If I could have Virus and Powercore available on 64 bit, I'd jump straight away!

you mean like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go

happy pirate friday the 13. -

marc

LOL very good:p

Very droll.

I certainly hope we don't have to wait for 64 bit drivers as long as we've had to wait for a properly working Powercore Virus eh Marc? Something like 5 years now is it?

http://www.petitiononline.com/VIRUSTCP/petition.html

Maybe Cartman's approach is our only hope of ever seeing some results on that one from Access?

why don't you try ;)

c'mon. it's friday. even i have a life.

marc

I'm stuck in looking after the kids. What's your excuse for being on here on a Friday night?

:p

So I'm not the only one - that makes me feel better!!:D

so marc you make fun having stolen hundreds of people, that make you laugh, you don't even care about powercore virus users at access? I hope you really take it seriously, cause that waiting has been intolerable, and we are really a lot truely angry users against access music,

i'm also planning to upgrade to 64 bit but it seems a bit daunting at the moment- having to resinstall huge sample libraries like east west symphonic orchestra and others which are 100's of gig's worth, ontop of the hasstle of things not working and bugs with going from cubase sx3 to cubase 5. I will wait for the virus drivers though firstly, as the virus is the core of my music, but also i will wait for windows 7 as i need to get it right and just leave it alone rather than having to change from vista to 7 or whatever it is next.

This is getting pretty aggravating. I moved to Vista 64-bit on my new system since I pretty much had to so I could utilize the 6GB of RAM. Everything is working so well on this machine, but my Virus is just stitting there, unused, since its such a hassle to use it without Virus Control. What is the holdup with these 64-bit drivers? I checked around and every major OEM is shipping systems preloaded with Vista 64-bit now. There are only a few places you can still get a 32-bit OS.

Dell
HP
Lenovo
Acer
Toshiba (some laptops)
Sony
Gateway (optional)
Alienware

So now just about anyone who buys a new Windows PC is just screwed if they want to use their Virus TI with it? I mean, what is even the point of buying a Virus TI if you can't use the TI part? Besides, who do you think these people are that are buying machines with 6-12GB of RAM and over 2TB hard drives? It's not mom & pop surfing the internet, checking their email, and playing solitaire. It's gamers and content developers which include MUSICIANS!!!

From the march issue of SOS, in a review of cubase 5 they talk about whether you should use 64bit, and Virus get's a mention:

"The most important consideration is that there need to be 64-bit drivers for all of the hardware you require on your system. Most computer components should be covered, including most audio hardware, but some musician-specific hardware lacks 64-bit support at present, including DSP cards and instruments like Access’s Virus TI"

come on access, u have to do it now :)

I'd really like to move to 64-bit, but the virus is the only thing holding me back. That and the cash to upgrade :p

Lets be patient guys, I'm certain Access is working as hard as they can on it :)
I'm sure it's not as simple as you might think!

I reckon they're (hopefully) aiming for a release that somewhat coincides with Windows 7 release, as lots of people will likely switch to x64 when they upgrade then. That's what I'm planning to do :cool:

I just want an ETA, that's it. Some date I can put on my calendar to check in with Access and look for some new 64-bit drivers. Then, while I wait for that day to come, I will get better acquainted with some of my softsynths. I am so not even close to willing to screw around with getting it setup old school and doing the latency checks and setting delay compensations and CC maps and everything else. Hell, I don't even have the analog inputs left on my interface.

Oh, and one more thing, they better not make the 64-bit driver only work with 64-bit Virus Control. Only like 4 of my plugins have 64-bit versions so far and I am not dealing with that BitBridge garbage just so I can run 64-bit Cubase for a 64-bit Virus Control. If 32-bit Cubase can access 64-bit ASIO drivers, I think 32-bit Virus Control can access 64-bit Virus TI drivers.

I'd say this is one of the major hurdles they are trying to solve, just a guess :p

After buying my Virus TI, I actually "downgraded" from Windows XP x64 to Windows XP. I actually hesitated buying a TI for quite some time before I finally did due to the fact that it was not 64 bit compatible. I'm not even talking about a x64 VSTi, just x64 support with 32 bit hosts. Windows XP x64 allowed me to address all my 4 GB of RAM and in general was rock solid!

Yes I want too a Windows 64bit Access Virus driver....please Access Music!!!

;)

Yep please 64Bit & 32 Bit support please. An ETA from Virus would be fantastic, see point 3.

Upgraded main machine to 64 Bit, getting ready for W7 when released and stable.

Main reason for upgrade :

1 • New PC I7 with 6GB ram <<< I believe these systems are going to increase in popularity as users realise the benefits of processor efficiency and of course more RAM supported

2 • Speed and was time to upgrade.

3 • Currently trying to get the old pc up & running as a slave for running 32bit plugins and will probably use Virus from there until 64bit drivers sorted. This will involve extra cost (FX teleport midi over lan).

If we could have an ETA at least users could decide if its worth paying for a work around or just simply wait.

peace

Just as a thought is MAC OSX 64bit? and that is already supported!

64Bit OS URGENTLY REQUIRED
 

"64 bit drivers, 32 bit plug-in" vs. "64 bit drivers, 64 bit plug-in".

Marc (and Access) couldn't see the point in the former of those.

Here's the point: It would mean their customers and all their potential customers could use just one computer.

Here's my situation: I have 1 main computer (64Bit OS, Quad Core Extreme 3Gz, 8Gb RAM, 1Gb GeForce). It's fast, runs everything I could possibly want except VirusControl. Other companies provide 64Bit drivers for all the hardware I use, jees even my Webcam and Flight Simulator joystick controllers come with 64Bit Drivers. Don't get me wrong having free updated VC software every few months is great but I'm sure the talented programmers at access could stop working on the free VC updates for 2 weeks and knock up some basic 64Bit drivers.

Please.

Personally I have now binned Vista 64 for Audio apps and hoping with W7 around the corner it will be supported, from what I've read re Beta testers W7 is probably going to be the weapon of choice for 64bit DAWs...I'm wondering if Access are waiting will then for 64 bit driver, which to me makes sense ;)

Mac OSX Leopard is not fully 64 bit but partially. It can address up to 32GB of RAM at the moment with no problem and run 64 bit apps. The kernel is still 32 bit though.

http://www.appleinsider.com/print/08...d_64_bits.html

Personally, Im anxiously waiting for Snow Leopard to come out which will be fully 64 bit. Snow Leopard will be my weapon of choice. :D