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angel418 08.05.2009 10:28 AM

Differences between sow, TI desktop & TI desktop new version??
 
I am trying to upgrade from my C to a TI, but which TI? I can't find much info on there differences, from reading up it shows snow only has 4 multi-timberals, as well as has only 512 rom 512 ram. But looking at the TI desktop it looks to have over 2000 total!!! Is this only the new version?

Any other differences u can point out please do. I am not sure which TI is best for me?


Thanks

ehunter 08.05.2009 01:10 PM

Keep in mind that if you use the Virus Control you can add ass many as you want really so I wouldn't get hung up on that.

The snow obviously has less knobs and more menu diving and also is more portable. I am not sure if the desktop has an audio interface but the snow does so not sure how much that matters to you

ShortBus 08.05.2009 06:32 PM

The only difference between the TI and the TI2 that anyone really knows of is the TI2 has 25% more powerfull processer.Other than that and a slightly newer look they are identicle. Unless you plan on storing everything on the unit itself your computer can store billions of patches so the snow only having a limited patch storage is not really a problem.If you plan on using your virus for more than 4 tracks in the same song I would puchace the dektop,Polar or keyboard versions which are all identicle in layout and capabilitys.All TI versions can be used as an audio interface.

angel418 08.05.2009 09:49 PM

another quesiton does the virus do all the processing power, or does the virus have the computer do some of the processing as well

another question it looks like on the snow you have 3 knobs to do most of the editing, what happens like when you want to edit a envelope which generally uses 4-5 knobs??

ehunter 08.05.2009 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by angel418 (Post 289837)
another quesiton does the virus do all the processing power, or does the virus have the computer do some of the processing as well

another question it looks like on the snow you have 3 knobs to do most of the editing, what happens like when you want to edit a envelope which generally uses 4-5 knobs??


You can page through parameters on the snow

as for processing I would assume the computer does some as I hear people say the sound is not always as thick through the VC as the analog outs

marc 08.05.2009 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ehunter (Post 289839)
as for processing I would assume the computer does some as I hear people say the sound is not always as thick through the VC as the analog outs

the sound is the same, in fact why should the sound be degraded intentionally? VC needs some processing power to communicate with the driver but with nowadays computers, that doesn't matter anymore.

best, marc

Monobeat 08.05.2009 10:23 PM

When the computer processes the audio via USB, the sound is not as nice, this is FO SHO!!!!!!!!! The analog outs sound much nicer.

IMHO

ehunter 09.05.2009 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by marc (Post 289841)
the sound is the same, in fact why should the sound be degraded intentionally? VC needs some processing power to communicate with the driver but with nowadays computers, that doesn't matter anymore.

best, marc


Doesnt the Virus use its DSP to process when used analog and in VC the computer does the processing?

ctrlshft 09.05.2009 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Monobeat (Post 289843)
When the computer processes the audio via USB, the sound is not as nice, this is FO SHO!!!!!!!!! The analog outs sound much nicer.

IMHO

ditto on this one, analog outs sound better to my ears. It could just be as simple as introducing artifacts (desirable or otherwise) through cabling as well as the quality of the audio device used and it's A/D converters, and I'm sure there are plenty of ways to make the analog outs sound crappy, but there's something to be said about the way the sound is coming out and how it gets back into the box. I cannot speak however for what the actual process is of how USB audio is transmitted and what kind of things can degrade the signal, not intentionally, but just through the process of getting in the computer...jitter? quantization errors? Beats me.

angel418 10.05.2009 12:52 AM

i have read conflicting info about the 2000 rom, is it on both old and new TI??

ShortBus 10.05.2009 02:10 AM

Exactly the same if im not mistaken.

marc 10.05.2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ehunter (Post 289848)
Doesnt the Virus use its DSP to process when used analog and in VC the computer does the processing?

no, the virus always generates the sound.

marc

marc 10.05.2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ctrlshft (Post 289855)
ditto on this one, analog outs sound better to my ears. It could just be as simple as introducing artifacts (desirable or otherwise) through cabling as well as the quality of the audio device used and it's A/D converters, and I'm sure there are plenty of ways to make the analog outs sound crappy, but there's something to be said about the way the sound is coming out and how it gets back into the box. I cannot speak however for what the actual process is of how USB audio is transmitted and what kind of things can degrade the signal, not intentionally, but just through the process of getting in the computer...jitter? quantization errors? Beats me.

you guys believe what you want to believe. as long as you can choose what you think is better everybody should be happy, eh ;)?

for those who are intrigued you can perform an easy test and judge yourself. setup virus control and use the virus as your main audio interface. create a test sequence of your choice and listen to it through the USB1+2 outs and then using the TI as your soundcard. this way the signal makes a roundtrip from the TI to your computer and back again. to make a A/B comparison, just hit the Direct Monitoring button on Virus Control which will send the signal straight to the virus' outputs.

best, marc

ctrlshft 11.05.2009 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by marc (Post 289894)
you guys believe what you want to believe. as long as you can choose what you think is better everybody should be happy, eh ;)?

for those who are intrigued you can perform an easy test and judge yourself. setup virus control and use the virus as your main audio interface. create a test sequence of your choice and listen to it through the USB1+2 outs and then using the TI as your soundcard. this way the signal makes a roundtrip from the TI to your computer and back again. to make a A/B comparison, just hit the Direct Monitoring button on Virus Control which will send the signal straight to the virus' outputs.

best, marc

the thing is, doing this negates the main reason why people are noticing a difference; using the virus with a different soundcard, running the analog outs into that other soundcard's inputs then a/d converters is probably where the most interesting things happen.

it makes sense though that the virus isolated on it's own should be pretty much identical from usb to analog outs on it's own.


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