Hypersaw
 

Hi there,

I'm saving up for a hardware synth because I've only ever used software and there are some sounds that they cant do particulary well.

I'm mainly into trance - anything of the quality of Matt Darey's Nocturnal Delights.

I'm still some way off yet but I've narrowed my choices down to a Virus or a V-synth. Has anyone got a sample or a short sequence with hypersaw on twin mode?

Until I've saved the cash I'm building something in NI's Reaktor.

OK , here is a WMA file which starts out as a single osc saw wave and goes to 9 detuned supersaws , then osc 2 kicks in with another 9 detuned supersaws , then sub osc comes on , then a bit of noise , then an 8 x unison mode which takes it up to roughly 150ish saw waves at once but with a trade off as I only have about 6 note poly.

http://www.speedyshare.com/267369612.html

hope that helps

[edit] I left a multiband compressor on and didnt realise , also sorry for the overload with the filter towards the end :)

do you need some hypersaw demo of the v-synth too?
Regards, Lorenzo

Don't bother with the V-Synth. Many of the great detuned trance sounds on the Virus chew up voices but have great 'width'. The synth engine of the V-Synth lacks stereo width. There's no way to pan one V-Synth osc left and the other to the right. OK, you don't always want to do that, but there's a narrow mono character in the overall sound.

Also the V-Synth effects quite limited and multi parts are damn near impossible to pull off. I'd call it a V-Disappointment ;)

Cheers,
B

Unless you import just the left and rights as separate stereo files. :)

Having a heap of dry hypersaw samples would mean you could probably make a pretty huge hypersaw knock off on the V. The only fucked thing would be not being able to have them blend and detune separately - maybe blending between patches would help in some ways.

FX on the V-synth are better in general than my VC, but I use the FX just to make a half decent filter, so many of the traditional FX are not available anyway.... Stupid V-synth filters.

I can't compare the v-synth anithing else than a virus B and they're quite different... but I can assure you that it's all but a disappointment...
obviously it's a different machine but be sure that it's the best sounding gear I own (I'm talking about audio quality, not subjectively about the sounds preset or not, so no aliasing, no hiss or hum... just pure sound), effects are great and a lot more than the virus b and other synth I own... anyway if you use it only to play a kind of sound without taking the time to use sampling, editing and tweaking parameters, the v-synth could sound useless.
regards, Lorenzo

logo80, enlighten us all with demo sound files of the V-Synth sounding great in a trance setting (since the oringal poster is after that sound). Or point us in the direction of a website which already has these wonderful sounds.

Cheers,
B

no I don't loose my time in this way, I just quote myself, maybe you didn't read correctly what I wrote....

anyway if you use it only to play a kind of sound without taking the time to use sampling, editing and tweaking parameters, the v-synth could sound useless.

OK, the topic has turned into "people who don't like the V-synth are idiots". Quite irrelevant to how suitable a V-Synth is for Trance. So I think my point is proven. If you want trance sounds, get the Virus!

Cheers,
B

Whats up with the old fashioned way of creating a stereo field from mono source of hard panning the synth and adding a delay to opposite side by a few miliseconds to get it slightly out of phase ?

I'm not sure how the virus creates its stereo spread ... maybe it detunes certain frequencies to the left and certain frequencies to the right ?

I'm sold on the V-synth to be honest , everything I've heard from it has sounded amazing. It's on my "to buy" list but first I have to update my pc :(

Doesn't the V-Synth use the same supersaw engine as the original trance machine - the JP80x0?

IamEvil - great demo! Thick as hell.

V-Synth: VA oscillators are mono without even the ability to pan them seperately. You get some width in the effects section at the end.

Virus: Filters can be in parallel with adjustable stereo spread between filter 1 and 2. Unison mode detunes and pans the copies making a true wide sound. Then the delays, choruses and reverbs give you more space. This thing can sound very wide.

B

You can actually run V-Synth filters side by side as well. Just have each OSC routed to a different set of filters. Of course if you have stereo samples, each with a single left and right channel, then it works in the same way. Add the cool isolator filter combo in the MFX section, and you have a third filter over the top of the others.
EDIT: Have duel filter in the first two cosm sections and you have each channel going to two different filters, then you have the final MFX Isolator combo at the end. *dreeeewl.

Also regarding panning and space: You can set up the LFOs in the TVA section to give off huge panning FX. Then of course you can play with the modulation sequencer which allows for pretty crazy mutilation. Also the hexa and space chorus are cool, not to mention the stereo pitch shifter (this thing is great for spread and space) and the psuedo-stereo. Shit, even the stereo delay is very cool, and then the multi-tap kicks butt!! Being able to set different EQs and panned space for each separate delay is great - all synths and FX units should have this.

I guess to sum up....

I love my V-Synth. :)