Link from Access site again?
 

How about trying to get this forum linked from the Access web site once again? Marc seemed amenable to TGND's forum to be linked, so why not this one? For this reason, I would hesitate before opening up the forum to too many 'other' synths. Dunno.

Also, maybe posts such as...
or how about...
probably don't do us any favours!

mr o

Re: Link from Access site again?
 

Have you seen namshub's new custom title? I couldn't resist changing that either :)

Though to get linked from access I think there would have to be heavier handed moderation, deleting unconstructive bitching like that, or moving it all to a single thread so it isn't all over the board.

In some ways I don't think censorship is a good thing, but I don't think Access had a problem with legitimate gripes, just the outright attacks and nonsense, like that guy bitching about not being able to get one from a particular retailer.

My view is I'd happily lose the small amount of freedom of expression to get marc and the access guys and particularly ben back here as it was fantastic having responses and help from them.

I think the site should be kept as it is, totally uncensored.....BUT people just ranting or flaring up like complete idiots should have warnings about thier behaviour and asked to apologise if its deemed necessary. To many warnings and your out on your arse.

I know the invision forum software actually has a warning system where a mod can ammend a users profile to show they have been warned and give a reason for it. Then everyone can point and laugh at them :)

ten

This is a totally uncensored forum, users may say whatever they want even if it's bad stuff about Access. I'd sure be frustrated if I went out and spent 24.995:- SEK on Virus TI and it didn't work properly.

(~25.000:- SEK = $3.283 US, = ?2.642 EU, = $4.291 AUD, = 375.521 Yen). That's quite alot of cash on a synthesizer that doesn't work as stated (I know. It do work but not fully or if you're a lucky user then woho!)

It's a tough call....being uncensored (to a degree) is nice, but I do agree that some posts are really just rants, and maybe should be placed in OFF TOPIC????

I'm all for the non-sensoring of this board. It's the only one that I know of and that's why I post here the most.

I think it was weak of Access to remove the link to this forum - shows lack of characture. Over the years this forum has provided more help to Access customers than any other, and to remove the link was strange.

We shouldn't change to make them happy!

I'm not so much worried about the link as who gives a fuck? Rather I think the loss was the access guys stopping posting. But yeah, leaving the board because they fucked up the release of the TI was pretty weak.

I bet that they removed us because of HC's little hoaxes about "The new Access synthesizer" Hahahaha.

And to be abit more serious; I really don't get it. They are really supportive and helpful on this board aslong it only is a matter of getting people how the use the cutoff knob on a Virus A/B/C or detune a sawlead but when people acctually are complaining about their faulty (Yes, it will be considered as a faulty unit until they get everything to work as they has stated so many times) TI, they flee the area really fast.

And yes, I do consider that some people isn't having any problems at all. But then again, if i buy a synthesizer for a large amount of cash I really don't wanna spend loads of cash to get new computer parts and hopefully it will work fine. I'd consider a TI but not until they have got rid of all those faults and they will hopefully get it fully working soon otherwise I'll probably wait for the MkII

I agree with the general anti-censorship debate. From a moral philosophy viewpoint, there are two tricky issues:
1: Who decides?
2: What goes?

Let's not even go there.

So, it still remains that we could at least try to get re-linked from Access' site. There has been nothing to suggest any reason why the link was removed. We are but speculating here. When things have settled down, one of us could email Marc. There's certainly no harm in asking...

mr o

It must've been a decision they made in unison as both Marc and BenC stopped visiting at the same time. They still visit the www.virusti.com forums.

I'm not one for censorship either, as everyone is entitled to their views (especially if paying that much for an item that is otherwise outwardly advertised as fully functioning), but the geniune nobheads do spoil it on behalf of the rest of us occasionally. I feel sorry that BenC and Marc left purely because of a minority. BenC especially as he's a good chap, and his contributions were also always welcome.

However, I'm with HollowC's views regards Access taking the link down. That was unfortunate, and left a bitter aftertaste.

1: Nobody decides.
2: Almost everything!

To be fair they were here for 6 months after the release of the TI. Maybe once 1.1 is out (assuming it works) they'll come back because of less bitching about their product :)

I do hope they come back, but they need to be able to handle the knocking of their products if they do. When it got personal towards Marc and Ben directly is wasn't nice, but still they're men aren't they. Trolls are part of the internet.

The TI fiasco has lowered my view of Access as a company, then to remove links to a forum that has supported them for ages just topped it off.

Now to the important stuff...

You got that way wrong me muppet chef!

1: I decide.
2: Everything!!

EDIT: Insert "evil laugh here".

I do see your point here. Excellent.!

The ranting and misinformation on the old forum really did get on my tits. The reality is that for some people the Ti works fine, for others it does not. Perhaps this is because the virus OS needs further refinement.....but lets not forget....computer operating systems and peripheral drivers etc are not bug free themselves. Its all about combinations of code.....some just dont get on well with each other.

That said, having endless streams of emotional babble whilst interesting.....serves no real cathartic purpose.....and should in some way be sensored. Put it this way, I dont think new members have the right to join our community to make 2 or 3 shitty posts and then leave....

Just my opinion

DS

Exactly DS, that was one of the main problems. People saw posts from official (and non-official :) ) Access employees, and joined simply to rant at them, normally in a pathetic and extremely rude manor that quite frankly would put anyone off trying to offer support here.

Ive had a few rants myself, but nothing like the 'ACESS YOU ARE FUCKING SHIT, COCK SUCKERS, THE TI IS A PILE OF SHIT I WANT A REFUND NOW, YOU LIE ON YOUR WEBSITE BLAH blah blah fuck etc.' totally pathetic.

How many people have joined like they knew the whole story and now you hear nothing from them? Total fucking idiots.

I still stand by the idea of it being totally uncensored, but people should be prepared to have action taken against them with warnings and possible removal from the forum if deemed serious enough by the mod team.

ten

There are two things we are talking about here and confusing:

1. Censorship - you could say that that is preventing the freedom to express ideas

2. Moderation - this should preserve the idea being expressed as much as possible, but limit the inflamatory and or personally directed (or even organisationally directed) nature of the expression of the idea.

Moderation is not generally about limiting what views are expressed, its about keeping the manner in which views are expressed non-offensive and within stated rules of this forum.

I think we should be moderating. I also think that we should continue to not censor as far as possible (by above definition). If however a post is so full of directed abuse that there is nothing left after moderation - well tough on the poster and TBH the poster needs warning from an admin/mod *especially* if it is someone who has just joined.


One other point about whether the access guys can take it or not - that generally isnt the point - whether personally they can or not - most companies discourage engagement in forums full of abuse, so Marc and tk are probably rather limited by company policy. Such company policy is very common, more so with larger companies. Of course linking to such forums just aint going to happen.

Well said. Exactly what I think should happen.

I don't actually think it was the all out abuse which caused the boys to leave or the link to be taken down - trolls are everywhere and are easily ignored. Plus it was only a few guys really getting stuck into Access (myself being one of them). The majority of people here were working to help the bugs get ironed out.

I feel they stopped posting here and removed the link on their page because of the obvious trouble with a flawed (but advertised as perfect) synth that this forum was highlighting.

Access has shown a very shady side when it comes to the TI, and people here were not supporting them blindly out of loyalty.

Less we forget:
1: Delayed release (obvious trouble to begin with) with no released reason for the delay.
2: Released, many questions crop up about the OS trouble and features advertised as being implemented not being implemented, but little/no word from Access.
3: More and more people becoming disrguntled, Access starts to hold back any responses (except for canned pre-made text pasting).
4: Finally Access admit to the TI having some trouble on some systems and they ask people to beta-test.
5: They start to hold back bad press by removing links.

From an outsider looking in, this doesn't look good - even if they have some sort of corporate policy against abuse. People are angry and have every right to be.

Who are we to moderate their anger? :wink:

LOL HC.....another cracking post :lol:

Sticks and stones cant hurt the TI (German engineering) but words sure can :lol:

DS