Shame on the Minority
 

Shame on the minority of Ti users on this forum who just write Threads without thinking about what there writing beforehand?You people are basically just fucking it up for the rest of us and yourselves?We all want a stable running OS for our Ti?s with all the VC features,do you really think that the people at Access don?t give a Fuck or what???after all, Access pay there wages and they have families at home with mouths to feed?.But when these people/Access who help us in there free time with OUR Ti problems just get slagged off all the time it?s no wonder they don?t logg-on anymore if all they/Access get is abuse from the minority of people here,and if you think they haven?t been checking the crap some of you are writing lately then your wrong!!!!
It?s the very first time that a synth has Total integration,so with all the possibilities that can be with different PC/Mac setups it?s normal that problems will arise.As I said the Sale of Virus Synths pays there wages.They are working to get a stable 1.1 OS and most of us here would like it to be stable even if it does take a little longer,there are a lot of issues to sort out to keep us ALL happy.
So do us all a favour and Button it. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
And another thing??. Ti2, Yeah whatever !!! 8O

Nick
8)

Re: Shame on the Minority
 

yo go boy......you cute big purple thing you...... 8)

Right,
Access is a business.
We are the PAYING customers.
We, the customers, have been misled regarding the shipping of OS1.1.
We deserve an explanation, and at least a revised ETA.
They are not selling 20Euro MP3 players, some of us have spent several thousands.
We all have families and responsibilities.
I try not to shirk mine.
If they were making these products in a socialist Kibbutz, then I would have a different opinion.
However, they are a profit-making organisation in a capitalist country.

I want my monies worth or a revised(truthful) ETA.
Nothing less will suffice.

Correct,but if you go into a shop as a customer and start gobbing off,like some people here have been doing then you would get shown the door....

No explanation has been given probably because the reason is very obvious; the OS is not ready yet. They thought it would be, but new issues came up that were unforeseen and it's taking time resolving them. Sometimes to fix a problem, you need to change code and that in turn can create unexpected problems elsewhere. If they make these changes and the beta team says "wait, this is not working right now", why would they release it?

As for giving a new ETA, no way. Like I said, sometimes things come up in testing that are unexpected, and I think Access doesn't want another round of complaining if they don't meet an ETA due to this.

If the TI is your first Access product, then perhaps I can understand being worried by this delay. But a great many of us are long time Virus users who KNOW what an excellent and customer driven company Access is. They truly care about their customers, and if you look back at the number of updates for the previous Virii, I think you'll see this too.

Trust me, Access is not sitting back taking their sweet time on this at the expense of their customers. They are more than well aware that people are unhappy, and are expecting great things from 1.1. That's why they are doing everything in their power to make sure this release is stable, and fixes as many bugs as possible. As has been posted here earlier, Access is working 7 day weeks non-stop trying to get this done as soon as possible.

I realize that this is hard to accept when your expensive new synth is sitting there not working for you. Really, I do sympathize. But if you think that Access is going to leave you all hanging out to dry, or is not busting their asses to get this done CORRECTLY, as soon as possible, then you are dead wrong. Please, just take a deep breath and try having just a little bit more patience. They are one of the few music companies that truly care about their customers, and really want to get things fixed asap.[/b]

Well said :)

Well there you have it...I rest my case.This forum was a link on the Access site (Thats how i got onto this forum) but now they have taken it down :cry: http://www.access-music.de/links.php4 No surprise there then..... :roll:

been using live for a while? is this your main sequencer? I am really interested in live......any feedback is appreciated.

(Sorry for the long quote, but I am addressing the lot!)

Well put! :D

Do you work for Access ?

No he does NOT work for Access-Music!

LOL - why is it everytime someone try to explain their position someone else assumes its an Access employee?

Jesus, what are you, his sock-puppet ?

Very good, very stable, less CPU than SX3 when warp is not active.
The VC plugin works well when you finally suss how to assign tracks to it.

please!
shame?
screw that.
5 months i have had my TI and still same glitchy situation.

shame on access for selling a product that doesn't (or cant)work properly.
what are they doing? designing a whole new synth?

why make excuses for them...there is no excuse.
you cant sell a product that doesn't work and expect people to be happy.
And the pompass attitude from access doesn't help their cause.

blah,blah this isn't an official forum...well then get a goddam official forum,
with the magnitude of the glitchyness you need one.
but its easier this way..isn't it.

yea like i don't get that already.......
thanks for your help.

I'm over it.
although "shame on the minority" kinda urked me.
only shame to be had is on access.

Its a shame Access have taken us off their page. Its also a shame that no one here is moderating this site......they could delete most of these ranting posts.

This forum is starting to get overwhelmed by bullshit. Unfortunately the more crap people post the more likely others will come out of the woodwork and rant aswell. Fuck 'em....just delete this shit and lets get back to where we used to be - 80's music is better and analog synths rule

DS

+1

of course they took this page off..
they cant have the bad publicity...they are a buisness.
many TI'S arent working properly.
Some people work around this and thats fine.
But it shouldnt be expected.

love my TI
 

I drive the polar, and it rocks. Cheers to Access for take the keyboard to new and uncharted places!

Sincerely Nailgun

PS I do not work for Access.

Mine threw two wobblies tonight, when I demoing it to a prospective buyer too.
Still, nothing else sounds quite like it for the money.
Roll on 1.1

We need to advertize sunesha at the the other forums:

virusti
ampfea

Or we'll die. I mean the Community ;)

I think you're making much too fuss about the delay; the problem is really if the TI will ever work as a TI (Total integration).

For example, my case: I've been interested in the TI since I first read about it more than a year and a half ago. But I haven't bought it yet. why? very simple: it's the TI aspect that interest me most, and the only reason I find to sell my Indigo and buy a TI. If I was 100% the TI aspect will work flawlessly in the future, I'd buy the TI right now despite its not working now; and I would wait till june, July or even later. BUT that only if I was pretty sure it will work as they promised.
I hope it will, because the TI is the synth of my dreams; but I don't want it to become the synth of my nightmares, so I can't spend 2000 euros on a synth whose proper working is still a guess. But the wait...the wait is not so serious...not so much the wait as the 'uncertainty'.

I can't undertand people sticking up for Access when they themselves have spent the money on the box and are having trouble.

It's not the fact that the TI has bugs, it's the fact that Access kept this information to themselves. Of course most of the ranting posts are putting focus on the bugs themselves, but this indicates to me that many buyers were misinformed to begin with.

As to the people who bought after reading what real users are saying about the TI.....Wankers! The people in this position should have no reason to complain about the way Access handled the situation or the TI's bugs. You bought knowingly, so it's your fucking loss.

Mmm, Access taking us off their site!? Didn't know about this one. Could this be another move to mislead the public?

I for one can say - Fuck you Access. Hang out on the other forums/mailing lists if they are company friendly, but as you can see more members seem to be coming here from those very places.

Minimum problems here,Mate..... :)

Lucky you.

you realy think people can pay $1750 for a defective product and when they're not happy they should just "shut the fuck up"?

that kind of marketing maybe normal in the old DDR, but not today mate.

btw you said your Ti is working fine - so that's kind of easy speaking isn't it?

waiting for radias....
:wink:

I thought you said your's was having a few crashes here and there, not to mention the occasional screech and scream. Maybe you are very lucky indeed then.

At any rate, like I said, it's the fact people were misinformed rather than the probs themselves. Access un-linking people to the UAVF is definitely not a good show of spirit.

EDIT: I must say that I didn't even know we had a link on the Access site in the first place though. :wink:

No, just a user who likes this particular synth. I'm just as vocal in defending the companies of other gear I like and use too.

Sigh...

I'm not saying people don't have the right to voice their opinions, or even their frustrations. Like I said, I've been the recipient of gear that was shipped buggy (Absynth 3.0) and I know first hand how very frustrating it can be. Especially when the purchase is expensive like the TI's are.

What I really dislike though, is the WAY people are voicing these comments. Just because this is the internet and people are not face to face, IMO, does not give them the right to act like little kids throwing temper tantrums. If you are concerned for future buyers and want to let them know that the TI is still not working FOR YOU (because it does work for quite a few people), that's fine. But I think that it can be done in a way which reflects some manner of professionalism, or at least courtesy to other people who frequent this board.

Case in point, my post inthe troubleshooting section to try and help people solve some of their TI issues. Instead of merely ignoring the thread if they disagreed, people felt the need to taking their bashing there too, even though I asked politely for them not to. I'm just tryng to help, when it would be far easier for me to walk away and say forget it, these people are the most ungrateful I've ever met (similar to what I did on the VirusTI forums after being fed up with the rudeness of the haters there).

I firmly believe that people should conduct themselves on forums as if they were face to face with other people. You never know who's reading what you write, or if it will come back to haunt you later on. Probably not I admit, but there have been times I've been surprised at the doors that have opened for me based on being that person who tries and helps people in a calm manner. From record deals, to DJ gigs, to jobs scoring music for TV ads, many times it has been me over someone else solely because I didn't partake in flame wars, and offered to help instead of mindless bash and throw fits like a 5 year old.

Voicing our displeasure is something we all feel the need to do when things frustrate us, when we feel cheated, or generally when we are having a bad day. But there's a right way, and a wrong way to do it IMO. People truly need to grow up and act their age.

Mine has never crashed once..It only Blue screened once and that was with 1.08.
Never a DSP crash.
I'm running 1.07 and i only get Apr timing problems now and then....Thats it...Thank god...I understand everyone with big problems getting pissed off,but Access are doing there best for us...
Why don't some of you go back to 1.07 for the time being as it seems to be the most stable...
If you read 3 cms to your right you'll see i'm not a German.
I came to Germany though with the British army as the Berlin wall was still up back in the 80s while you were drinking Ribina,watching postman pat and hoping the tooth fairy might stuff 10pence under your pillow :wink:

Thanks again for the great post

I so...... agree. I think, however, the fact that people don't use their real names congributes to this. I frequent a recording forum that will not let you post unless you use your real name. It's much more civil over there.

Alrighty then, you've upset Harold the funloving chimpanzee.. If i hear another; [quote="someone"]Hey Access is a good company..[/qoute] OMFGEH! HE'S LAJK SO MUCH WORKING WIT FBI-CIA-ACCESS. CANT YOU READ LAJK SO CI-A-CCESS! WE FOUND SECRET OF MENY! NOW LETS FEAST UPON ONKEL'S SEXY LEG!!1!1!1!!

I don't wanna censur any words but soon ye old board will be full of censorship and everything you can say is; Ben, TI, A, B, C, kB, kC and Hollowcell!

If you got problems with the TI and we can't help you with an quick answer try Access-support, if they can't help you. I betcha they are working on trying to solve that problem. And if you're still not satisfied with the TI - Why didn't you wait a few months before you got the synth? Every new electronic-gadget either it's a new VA-synth or a new gamingconsol has different bugs/problems that are solved later on, and if not there will be a new revision and hopefully (and I do belive) that Access would do everything they can to make it up to you as an customer.

Alright Access! I hope i didn't say to much about the CIA-deal and your evil plans to rule the earth with trance-music created only on Virus-synthesizers. Ive completed mypart of the deal.. Now where is my Virus TI? Hoho

An old adage holds true:

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I'm not mean-spirited about the whole thing, my TI works (just not as a VSTi...) but without a vocal group of constituents would the company even know they have a problem?

I appreciate the attention of Access Music techs coming here and telling us they are working on it. The same is apparently going on with Kontakt 2 from Native Instruments, and an update for that is badly overdue as well.

But the example they're setting is atrocious if you give it some thought:

They are essentially saying it's ok to release a product that only does some of what it's advertised to do.

With this logic in mind, you might as well:

Sell a car without brakes
Make an iPod that only plays one song

etc, etc, etc

Now, you might be happy to drive around until you run out of gas or you might really like that one song, but I'd be shocked if those products weren't fixed with all due haste once the company realised they made a mistake.

Instead, what we've gotten so far is Access promoting the halfway-functional TI while telling people that have bought it "We're really working hard on it, why don't you have a cup of coffee and relax." They know there are bugs. Yet there hasn't been an update in two months. It's ponderous to me that you would ask people to shut up when they are obviously going to be frustrated.

Best suggestion all day!!!!

:lol:

They are in good company - its seems the Alesis Fusion isnt exactly having a rosey time...

Look on the bright side - at least the TI was launched with a complete and really good sound set :)

Always look on the bright side of life *du nu du nu nu nu*.. Ah, I do understand that people are frustrated with the fact that they spent loads of cash on a machine that isn't working properly for some of it's users and I know that i would be really upset if it would had happened to me.. But I am sure that Access is working on it and I belive that Access will have a fix for those that still suffer from odd problems

I'll tell you who the fucken Minority are; They are the people who are not having many issues with the TI and who have company loyalty in the absense of reason.

Hey this is fun joining in rather than sitting back watching. :D I'm starting to run out of ideas though....I might have to resort to the "I know you are what am I" comments soon.

Great thread!

HC: My Virus TI is stronger than yours! I could get 81 voices from it! And I am rubber, you are glue.

Let's start the ranting; I do feel that Onkel leg is one heck of sexy leg.. Mmm, Now where is that frozen Jasedee-poo