MPC 1000 for pro Trance????
 

I was wondering would an MPC 1000 be good for pro trance (Drum tracks)??? And for seqeuncing?????Let me know

Regardless, anything can be "pro"... even something as lo-fi as a C64 SID chip... it depends how you use it, and how it will be integrated and/or supported with the rest of your setup. In your case it also heavily depends on the samples you put into the sampler, for example.

IMHO, in general, the term "pro" on its own is vague, misleading, overused, and abused.

Ahh, gear lust...

I wouldn't buy an MPC for trance beats really - no need. MPCs are great for triggering beats and samples live. Trance usually has very tight quantizing and straight paterns - step programming a softsampler would probably be more useful for you.

Ok in reply to TIMO: when I say pro I mean shit like 'Paul Van Dyk' in response to hollowcell: I am really trying to stay away from computer's ie;Soft synth's etc............I am looking for a hardware seqeuncer that you can edit the hell out of what you have put into it.......and as far as drums I am looking for the sound quality of .....well 'Paul Van Dyk'again.....well let me know......SEEYA

OK, I should have read the original post more clearly.

Well the MPCs have a pretty well spec'd sequencer for sure - 32 channels of Midi on two outs and great resolution. I haven't had hands on experience though, but I wouldn't mind trying one out.

The sounds would come down to what you put into the thing.

If you do end up grabbing one, let us know how it goes. :D

OK...... anyone know any good (construction kit format) sample cd's for trance?

try the "vengence sound" cds.

I have heard of 'Vengence' before......I know that they make sounds for the Virus...........anyone have any experiance with the sample cd's.......if so what is your opinion????????Are there a lot of drum construction kit's????

There are many sample disks for Trance style beats. They are probably most straight forward to create.

Have you thought about getting a drum machine instead?

I have a Korg EM-1 (and to tell you the truth it has the best sounding dance drums :P out of everything I have ever used). I have used : Kurzweil k-2000-Boss DR5 , Dr550 , Alesis sr16,Roland u220,mc303,mc505, Yamaha RM1x ,Korg Er1 (Yes I think the pcm drum sounds in the EM-1 are better than the ER-1) . I have never played with Jomox or The Novation drumstation yet thou.I am looking for that night club sounding drums (Paul Van Dyk and Aura come to mind the most).Also I have never played with a real Tr 909 or tr808 before .I know Aura use sample's off thier Yamaha A3000 (sampler)......so I know samples can do it.......I just have to find the samples........any ideas?

I am a fan Paul Van Dyk tracks. Good choice to model your sounds by. Almost all of his tracks have been processed and fine tuned. The secret to the sound you are after can be created with any of the drum machines you have mentioned. The secret to His kicks and bass sounds lie first in very and I mean very detailing EQing. Try using a analyzer to see what Freqs your kicks and basslines are at and make note of where they roll off or where thay may clash. If the kick rolls off to early or clashes with your bassline it will be mud. If the freqs are not spot on they will never sound like Van Dyk's. Once you EQ every detail of each Kick and Bassline then you can move on to Compression Which is what makes that Perfect Kick and Perfect bassline sound so frickin amazing. Remix mag did an interview with him once and he talked about the physics of speakers and how to EQ and Compress down to every last freq. I think it was in the October issue back in 2003 or something like that He was on the cover. Hope this sheds some light on things for you. Now you can buy sample cds where the construction kits have been EQed and processed in large amounts but usually that specific construction kit has been EQed and processed for a specific track, Which means once you star adding your own bassline and other instrumnets you may run into problems with the mix and the entire kit will sound like crap. I suggest learning all you can about EQ and Compression and the rage of freqs that you wil be dealing with. Then and only then will you be able to get Kicks and Basslines that sound like his. This is not really a big secret in fact it is well known that 99.9% of all the producers that you and I admire for their productions say that this is the single most inportant aspect of any production. From Rock,Rap and Dance to Jazz, and beyond it is all about the EQ, Compression, Reverb ect. Sorry to go on about this.... My day Job is an RF Engineer so I deal with Freqs and crazy new Harmonics generated by intermodualtion everyday.

Waketek makes a good point here. There are some very popular sample packages which are so processed that getting them to sit well in a complex mix can really suck. This is one reason I asked about trying drum machines.

Get your hands on some good drum boxes before outlaying the cash on a MPC, and of course reading up about compression and EQ is a must no matter what genre you're into.

waketek, very informative posting indeed. And Hollowcell, I have tried many drum machines as I stated earlier........The more I hear about it thou The Novation drumstation seems like it might be the way to go......I mean I hear it does a wicked emulation of the TR 909..(which is the basis for the majority of dance music.....not all but alot of it) so if eq'd right maybe that would solve my problem........I don't know? I know that there has to be a good construction kit sampling cd for club drums thou.......does any one know of one (because as I stated earlier I have no use for other peoples loop's........I find that to be cheating and very unoriginal........and it seems that alot of these sampling cd are loop based)......well let me know.SEEYA!!!!

Save some $$$ instead of a sample CD Try sampling a single kick from a Van Dyk tune if that is the sound you are after and try and tweak it to fit your track. All the drum machines including the Novation are using affects unless turned off. You want a Raw kick... I have some old sample cd's with some individual kicks. I will listen to them and see if any would make for a good start to try and emulate a van dyk kick. I will post back if I find something.

Take a long boomy kick, apply a pitch envelop to it so it goes deeper and deeper as it rings out. Time stretch to shorten it to a short kick sound. apply compression and eq to taste. Voila PVD kick :)