This topic has been hijacked by Meat Gazers!
 

I wonder if Access could make that programmable arpeggiator a piece of standalone software that we could use to program arps for other models of virus and include in an OS update a Arp record function to then send the midi into the synth?

Does this make sense to anyone?

To me, it doesn't seem like it would be a difficult thing to do and I personally find the arpeggiator in my virus one of its more limited features, for example, my humble SH32 allows twice as many patterns, with all kinds of variations and step or real time input for user arps.

I'm guessing they probably will make a programmable arp, but I'm hoping they try to fit the new OSCs in the VC instead - at least the hypersaw.

If they did make a programmable arp, I'm guessing it would have to be software based too. I get sick of looking at a screen!!!! No computer editors please.

Boys, sorry to burst you're bubble. But if you really believe you're going to get new oscs, programmable arp OR the hypersaw on the C, you're seriously mistaken. The most you can expect is a couple of filters or some fixes or whatever. They are seriously NOT going to design software for the C.

I think you have to just accept if you want ANY of the TIs new features you simply have to bite the bullet and buy one. Just think, youve all had a good run with the C now, its done its job and earnt its money many times over. Now access are focused on the TI and want people to spend on that to get the features they have spent years working on and im sure millions of pounds researching. Any updates to the C will be something very minimal from now on any thinking otherwise is slightly ludicrous ;)

ten

Mmm, some new filters with new saturation stages would be nice. But knowing what Access are capable of, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they created something new for the C - just look at the B series.

Buying a TI just simply isn't gunna happen for me. Can't afford it and even if I could, I couldn't justify spending the money. Got the "virus sound" already after all. :D

I'm guessing updates would be minimal too, but I still hope there will be some. Juts squeezing the Hypersaw wouldn't take alot of space - especially if they get rid of that Vocoda. :wink:

Who are you to call peoples wishes for updates ludicrous? Or decide what updates will happen? There's a harsh smell of arrogance and ..malicious pleasure here.

I don't think you've owned an access synthesizer. You obviously don't own a C. :wink:

Im not being arrogant, im being realistic my friend. Im not deciding what will happen, its totally my opinion, but do you seriously believe access is going to implement any of the TI features to the C ? ...... really?

Again, im not taking pleasure here, I would totally love it if all the C people could upgrade thier synth to the TI or whatever. But you have to put it into perspective and realisim. Whoever bought the C bought it for what it was, not what it might be 3 years down the line. They have had a very good run and I would hope enjoyable experience with it. There were no gaurentees you would get extra features for ages to come, everything has its life-span.

Access are like any other company, out to make the most amount of money they can from thier products. Throwing money at r/d to implement new features on legacy or discontinued products that are going to be on thier new flagship products will make them no money whatsoever, which is obviously bad for any business ;)

I actually owned the virus powercore, which was ok. As soon as the TI was announced I sold it and some other gear because I wanted the TI. Instead of expecting the virus powercore to be updated (which I mght add is still a current access product, not a discountined one like the C) I was realistic, knew the score and sold up. Yea I lost some money in the process but thats the price you pay to get the best and I accept that. If you want the same you will have to do the same I'am afraid.

Believe me, I would love to see some great updates for the C. But its not going to happen, you can dream about it and bleet on here all day long, but im telling you, it will not happen (opinion) :)

ten

i do think access will alow you to upgrade your C into a polar desktop.
for around 400-500 dollars
like then did with rack clasic and rack xl.
but then again maybe its not possible because of usb.

No way. The Rack Classic could only be upgraded to an XL because they shared identical housing, and the upgrade path was part of the original design. There is no way to upgrade a C to a TI, except via the traditional methods (i.e. ebay).

Plus the TI has two DSPs, as opposed to one.

so it might cost some more to upgrade :)

All I was asking for was to split that arpeggiator off from the software...Make it a stand-alone programme (soundiverish) so we can program our own arps on the screen and then dump them into the virus via midi. All the virus needs is a arp record function and I'm sure they could fit that into any of the older models.

No need to get carried away and expect them to include things like the Hypersaw into old models...this is one of the main selling points of the TI and one of the reasons alot of people will upgrade (among many others). Its not good business sense to take the appeal away from the TI.

The Cs are discontinued and buying them from shops will be more and more difficult. It will help the resale of the Cs having new OSCs. Maybe people will think more about buying a TI if they can get a little more cash for the C. :wink:

Also, putting the Hypersaw in the C series may help the sales of the TI anyway, because the C's the voices will run out before we can get a usable sound. We hear the Hypersaw but need the power of the TI to really make it work.

So repeat after me...(chant like style)

No Vocoda, Hypersaw for the C.
No Vocoda, Hypersaw for the C.
No Vocoda, Hypersaw for the C.

Hey, a guy can dream can't he?

I wish 70 polyphony, hypersaw, wavetables, multipart reverb & delay, modular synthesis and physical modelling on a Virus A. Is this going to happen? I think if the vocoder and LCD controller would be removed, it could happen. Please Access! Make a Virus A better than TI so we could get one really cheap!!!11!

Come on, blokes. If you really want TI features go get the TI and stop wishing for impossibilities.

What Im wishing for isn't even difficult.

Everyone just seems to have jumped on this thread with impossibilities.

If you get back to the point I think you'll find it would be piss easy for Access to do something about the pathetically limited arpeggiator in all models before the TI

How do you know its not difficult? Are you a programmer? If its so easy write one yourself.

The simple fact is its NOT going to happen (for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post and several others mostly todo with money) and thats that. I bet you havent even emailed access requesting it. Just a few posts on here hoping someone from access will see it go 'HOLY SHIT, QUICK LETS DO A PROGRAMABLE ARP FOR THE C, ITS SO EASY AND WE HAVE SO MUCH FREE TIME AT THE MOMENT, AND IT WILL MAKE THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY PAID US MONEY FOR A SYNTH WHO DONT WANT TO PAY AGAIN SO HAPPY'

No offence intended mate but its REALLY quite simple and some of you are finding it hard to grasp....as Juho said, if you want any of the TI features, find the money like all of of us waiting for it have done and buy one.

ten

Re: Programmable Arp for older Viruses?
 

there is no memory in the virus c which would allow to store the arpeggiator patches.

best, marc

Not Arpeggiator patches, just the midi data of the arpeggiator patterns.

Where does the Virus hold its arpeggiator patterns at the moment then if it doesn't have any memory?!?!?! That doesn't make any sense

i guess the midi data wouldn't help much without an arpeggiator that plays it. and as for the memory, don't forget that the arp patches in the C are in the ROM. In difference to the TI where they're stored with every single patch

- marc

Did not know that. Thats pretty fookin boss!

Thats one thing I've always found annoying is that you can't select an arp pattern and then scroll through patches to find the sound that best fits the riff.

Maybe my way of thinking is different from other ppl.

damn - you really are perceptive. don't you know some people just got the C?

With the TI, all you would have to do then is transfer the midi of the arp into your sequencer and audition from there..........possible work around.

Well, thats just to bad and luck of the draw. Also, either way they knew the C is a 3 year old product when they bought it, and/or it had been discontined by access, so expecting new things to be added to it (especially the kind of things people are requesting here) is just wishing for things that ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Marc, please put them out of thier misery and just say it....programable arp will not happen on C, hypersaw will not happen on C, 80 polyphony will not happen on C....etc and so forth :)

ten

Re: Programmable Arp for older Viruses?
 

Well, looks like i was wrong about the programmable arp, but what about the Hypersaw for the C? Would deleting the vocoda from ROM make enough space? Go on, you know you wanna make us C users happy. :D

But with OS6.5 for the C we got 24 new arp patterns. I can?t see why it shouldn?t be possible to make some patterns in some arp-editor and do an update (overwriting some other patterns of course). Like if you have the OS6.5 update-file and then edit it with some OS-editor that Access of course programs for all of us :mrgreen: and then we download the modified OS :D That would definetly be possible but of course that depends on Access?s will to make an arp-editor and os-editor for us :roll: Come on Access, you can do it :twisted:

Good point Onkel. Burn a new set of arps onto the ROM like an OS update or something. Still though, they would have to create the software to do the editing first. :wink:

I really do like this milk them for all they're worth attitude that's showing it's face. I also like the way that the people who have pre-ordered the TI (and a few who do not have any type of Virus) are trying to stick up for the new breed of machines. :D All C users unite and overturn this elitest TI attitude!

Delete the Vocoda to make room for Hypersaw.
Delete the Vocoda to make room for Hypersaw.
Delete the Vocoda to make room for Hypersaw.

Shit, this forum is a laugh! :D

All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth. All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth. All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth. All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth. All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth. All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth. All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth.

All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth. All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth. All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth.

All vocoder and no hypersaw makes VirusC a dull synth.

I don't own a virus yet. I've only heard one. And i have to say. The C Sounds Boss. Nothing Needed extra. It's its own type of animal. The TI will be another. You beat me to the punch! Merlot, This forum isa laugh! :lol:

i agree with your opinion Hollowcell
 

hi all people,
i?m other virus c user
i agree with your opinion Hollowcell, :lol: . Other vote more!
modestly,
i would like better oscillators,more hard work with osc existents (better 3er osc,more powerful tone of oscs) instead of Vocoder.
i think that oscillators is the "less good" section of virus c. :wink:
instead of newest and lastest features as TI,it will be more realist a fixed of weak points.
a happy user from spain,

you would need to flash the new arp into ROM every single time you change even ONE notelength, in fact you would need to flash 32 KB which would contain loads of other code as well because you cannot flash a couple of bytes.
on top, every of the 1024 patches using the arp at this certain location would change as well.

- marc

Translation = "It ain't gonna happen" :cry: :cry: :wink:

J/k

I was wondering how to use a step arp programmer with the C.
Is there a good vst pluggin wich can be used like an midi effect to program Arp paterns ?

What sequencer are you using? I would say the sequencers piano roll is a good place to program some arps. I do mine there all the time. Either in there or logic's hyper-edit.

I have used EnergyXT with arp and a midi out plug from tobybear.

results are only usabel at sub 10ms latency, due to the midi out plug suffering from buffering. Nuendo / Cubase both have "hardware out from vsti" issues..

I m using cubase Sx 2. but Piano roll dosn't sound like an programed arp sequence.
I'd like to have a Vanguard arp like pluggin. An arp with trance gate features.

You must not be programming them right. You can make the piano roll sound just like an arp. The virus b arp files are floating around on the net in .mid versions. I suggest looking for that and oopening them in cubase to see how it is done, since they will open in the piano roll.

Upgrade to SX3 if you can. they have the arpache arp (or see above). Then combine that with a noise gate sidechained to a drum track, and you have instant vanguard on any synth you want.
I dont know if it is the same in SX, but in logic I can save the setup of it all, and just insert it on to audio instrument tracks whenever needed.

Yeah you're right

hehehe. i love how hollowcell is trying to get absolutely anything extra out of access. keep pulling that chain hollowcell! they will cave in eventually! they must! at least give us virus b owners a bananna huh? for customer loyalty? REMEMBER WE STUCK BY YOU! YOU OWE US!!

Actually i don?t really care much for new arp. patterns since i can just as well program sequenses and loop them. I was just thinking that it wouldn?t be a big deal overwriting them.

To marc: I can see te point in that the factory presets that uses arp. won?t sound alike any more. I just didn?t get the point about sending one notelength of a time. I was thinking more like a stand-alone software arp-programmer that you could update an OS-file with and then do an ordinary OS-update with the modified OS-file.

As for the vocoder vs. hypersaw; i too would like to see this happen but i?m not sure i would do the update cause the virus vocoder might not be the best in the world but for the time being it?s the only vocoder option i have :roll: Actually i was a little disapointed with the vocoder when i got the virus cause i was seing forward to having a nice vocoder too. Well what the heck; the rest of the beast makes it up for it :twisted:

I personally have never used the Vocoder, and never will I don't think so I welcome the Hypersaw to replace the Vocoder with open arms.