Virus C vs. JP-8000 supersaw
 

Hi,

has anybody managed to recreate the famous SuperSaw of the JP-8000, when it is widely detuned?

When you use it in JP, it's like detuning 7 saws (cf Roland's Manual). But when you use 7 voices int the Virus fully detuned, it doesn't sound the same... :cry:

Its not possible with the Virus, sorry

*Waiting for juhos responce when he says thats its possible cuz the virus is a VA, and what one VA can do...then he'll go on saying that the supersaw lead sucks and that he could create it on his virus...but as always he doesn't do it(since he can't) then he goes bla bla Jp sux bla bla trance sux bla bla*

Indeed! Actually I probably even don't have to write anything here since it's quite obvious what I'm going to write. ?hhihi.

try to use all the oscs (all the 3), detune the osc2 and 3 and add UNISON... may be that should be closer. Pressing 7 keys at the same time won't do the job i think

................... or get one fo those JP emulators :)

Well, if you own a nord modular, you can create a supersaw. I'v tried it and you could barely hear the difference between an original JP-8000 supersaw and an emulated supersaw on a nord modular.

im realy interested in the nord modular
saving up for it at the moment
will take about six month to get the amount of money for a second hand desktop or kb but anyway
could you post a sample somewhere please? would be interesting to hear

thanx,Tomer.

Could someone post a mp3 of plain supersaw sound?

Rokka,

Someone on here posted a patch of the Cygnus X / Rank1 supersaw sound. Look for that... it's quite nice.

Even better (imho) is the "Superpads" tutorial on www.trance.nu (tutorials page). Check that out.

As for a dry supersaw sound, I have a ZIP file of supersaw WAVs at different notes. I will upload it to my webspace if you're interested, Juho.

Paul

Ok. Thanks.

Supersaw WAVs at www.pdc.me.uk/Virus/JP8080-SuperSaw.Zip
I don't remember the original source of these. A German site I think...

Paul

Thanks.

Hmm... That's quite sharp. At least it sounds sharp with these headphones. I'd say use three oscillators with heavy detune and twin unison. Add some constant phaser (depth to zero and adjust frequency and add positive feedback to get that phaserish sharpness).

I have tried all that b4 juho and u can get close but cant get the action of it because the jp80XX is only using the osc and the virus is using the whole synth in conjunction to make that sound...so the action when playing makes it sound different...plus the plain saw sound is different in my opinion...

peace
Blank

Hi tomer=trance. I'll try this evening to recreate a supersaw patch on my NM. How do I send the patch to this forum?

The jp 8000 is not as dirty and gritty as the virus but definetly alot thicker and cleaner!!

i'm still waiting for ben to give his statement....

what it boils down to is different machines have different qualities.

of course you can get close, but on any machine it's going to take alot more work than on a jp.

ipaqlinux48, you cant actually upload an mp3/wave file to the forum. if you want to show the patch in an audio format, you must first upload the sound to a free mp3 hosting site, then link us to that site here. :)

ipaqlinux48 i sent you a private messege about uploading it.

why don't u try to use the 3oscs+heavy detune for oscs2&3+unison+phaser then use the same patch on 2 different parts with the same midi channel (like layering the same sound) and then fully detune them... may be you'll get a bit closer than with 1 part.... but be careful of loosing polyphony...

basically, if u try this, u will be working with 20voices only (osc3 will eat 2x6 voices), than for every key you press, you'll loose 2x2 voices instead of 1 (2xUNISON)

why not just pick up a jp80XX for a couple hundred...Or just be happy with what u have.... :wink:

peace
Blank

hehe emulating synths is the eternal chanllenge ;)

This is funny because when i show the virus to some1 who has no experience with synths what so ever the first thing they ask is oh can u make a piano/violin/clarinet/sax sound...and of course u can get similar to those but not exact with it...and the individuals look down on it, like its not worth being an instrument...and the point being that it is an instrument, its own instrument...u dont hear a nylon guitar trying to sound like a steel guitar...yeah it has all the same parts but own key difference the materials its made with, which the materials the VA's r made with is pretty much the same except the OS'...which is pretty much like those strings...u get all the same properties of sound except slightly different...

if u want supersaw get a Jp80XX...otherwise dont waist the time because most of us still havent mastered the virus...and all that time waisted on emulating another synth could be used learning how to make unique sounds with that synth u spent atleast 1400 USD on or more...

this is funny too because u r trying to emulate a 500-600 USD synth...

Im just trying to warn u, u will end up spending too much time trying to emulate and in the end will not be satisfied with the results....

peace
Blank

Okay, I've tried a JP this week end and I was really impressed by the power of his leads sounds. In fact, I believe it's better than Virus for the big leads for trance and hardtrance music. I'm gonna buy it straigt away :lol:

I've owned a JP-8000 for around 5-6 years or so, but it has definintely taken a back seat to my Virus C. The supersaw leads ARE nice though.

I am waiting for my Indigo (v1) to arrive so I can't try it as yet, but if it's possible, try and place each individual sawtooth in a different part of the stereo field. It wont be like 'modulation' or anything, but it'll just sound a lot thicker.

...That's how I noticed the SuperwaveP8 VST-I makes JP8K-type supersaw sounds.

Timo

you could do that by using layering with lets say about 2-3 parts with different unison and paning
but i dont think the virus has enough voices so you going to have to record each part seperatly
i will try this today and let you know what i come up with :)

yes panning is also very important, i've only used the jp vst (suerwave) but it seems that the panning of 2 oscillators also does a lot for that thick sound

try layering a simple trancesound on the virus about 7 times and tune them all a bit different and pan 3 layers a bit to the right and 4 to the left or vice versa...never tried it, but i'll try it tomorrow :)

I reckon the proper supersaw might also layer saw waves with different (for want of a better word) "waveform-widths" (similar to pulse-width, but not just for square waves - more for altering the width ratio of cyclic waveforms).

See here:- http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/vie...?p=19221#19221

>>try layering a simple trancesound on the virus about 7 times and tune them all a bit different and pan 3 layers a bit to the right and 4 to the left or vice versa...never tried it, but i'll try it tomorrow

Yup, it'll certainly require a Multi, composed of differently programmed saw patches, rather than just a Single patch.

Anyone got a recording or sample of a JP8000 supersaw they could put up to illustrate the kind of thing we should be working towards?

Ta ;)

I've just sampled a supersaw on my JP-8000. The Detune parameter is set to 50% and the Mix parameter is set to 100% (quite fat). The sample can be found here. No effects are being used.