Who uses layered sounds?
 

hi!

i know it is not an easy thing to do, has anyone created few layered patches ? what is the technique behind it? any tips&tricks?

i do it on the nord a fair bit.....

usually using pads.....very nice for playing dense elvolving pads live...

most of the time (when i venture into this teritory) one patch will have a slow attack and the other may have a faster attack.....same goes with the release too...i usually have one patch an octave higher than the other too...the 2 sounds are often quite similar....

one prob doing this with the nord 2 though...is trying to match
lfo speeds...

having said all this though...the nord only has 2 osc...

cant' the lfos be synced to the tempo ? why do u have to match them?

yeh it can...but it has no internal global bpm type clock....

the only time i really want to use layered sounds, is when i dont have the benifit of layering in a seqeuncer....playing along side someone else for example....

i would only use layered sounds if say maybe i wanted to have one sound that is a short stabby type sound and one that has a longer decay...just an example...something of the sort...I think what u can do is just try matching various sounds together and after awhile u will start hearin certain sounds, sounding good together...once u got that its all about ear training and practice...its not all that hard but u have to know what u want b4 u can even venture...i was going to make layered sounds on my soundset but decided against that because not every1 would use the sounds together and they might sound like crap solo...

peace
Blank

well, everytime you're using more than one oscillator, you are, in effect, using a layered sound.....I'm sure everyone generally uses more than one oscillator.

Layering patches is just one step more...

im sorry and i dont mean to sound like an ass but...thank u captain obvious :lol: ...not quite the layered idea we r talkin about u cant quite get completely different sounds out of one synth patch...yet there is also no point on using 2 synth patches with the same sound or a variation u can get out of adding another osc...

oh just incase u didnt laugh at that it was a joke...

peace
Blank

will the sound get richer or just louder thats the quastion

sounds do get richer/thicker in my opinion....really though, the only benifit is live use....its easy to layer sounds in your sequencer, but its nice to be able to play them live...

but how can you play all different midi parts in the same channel? i dont think you can do that

Yes you can. Use the multi mode and change each part to the same midi channel.

yep

did know you can do that
cool :)

this makes the virus quite effective in making beefy sounds...i love the fact u can have all the multi mode patches on one midi channel...

peace
Blank

Aye

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Aye is also an English Yorkshire expression like "I'm off tu't pub from 1 while 3"

meaning "I am going to the public house from 1 o'clock until 3 o'clock"

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anything goes....

Back on the layered sounds topic, I've just been having a mess about and found it's great for lush pads, it does make them richer and not louder. You have to balance the patches pretty finely using the patch volume and filters to create a hybrid sound. I think I'll be doing a bit more of this from now on. :)

yeh, pads are the main thing i do layered sounds for.....but as balnk said too...its great for stabbing sounds too....recently i layered a few sounds off the VC, one 303 style bass, layered with a short sharp stabbing bass....i ran these both from an appegiator (of my controller synth)...they sounded lifeless appart/seperately, but when i layered them....oh yeh!

I'll have to try some stabs. I think when you're layering sounds, each patch has to have similar characteristics in the first place so they embed well.

layering with other synths
 

Another thing I think can work very well with the Virus is layering it with another synth, especially one with a differing synthesis method.

For example, I get some fantastic and lush stringpads from layering my Virus b with a Roland JD-990...somehow, each complements the other such that the end result is greater than the sum of the parts in a way that simply layering two Virus patches does not.


cheers,
aeon

With the Filter in Split Mode you can..

-=BC

Indeed! Just for example a modwheel to filter balance and LFO's control the filters + some more stuff in mod matrix.

I have a Yamaha cs1x in a box somewhere, its not a very expensive synth but you could get some nice sounds out of it. It relied on layered sounds for it, Each 'single' patch would consist of 1-4 layered patches. I'd love to hear some sounds like this for the virus (maybe I should make some?). It was particularly good for pads that changed over time or had weird things going on in the background.. and efx.