in germany they say: gut ding braucht weile.

in australia they say: hurry the f*#k up.

:wink:

In Britain we say....'more tea vicar?'

DS

This TI wait reminds me of the wait for Deadsy's new album "Phantasmagore". Lol.

Deadsy is the band that got me into synths, BTW.

I pray this is not a cruel joke! But knowing DS.... :evil:

Did Access ever dissapointed us with their products?

Every Virus was great and the TI will be worth the wait!

Access could release the TI now but they wait for the results of beta testing... it's not easy to release a synthesitzer with audio, asio and midi-drivers and they will have to be sure that it runs on all systems...

you know, everybody has a different soundcard, mainboard (chipset) and so on...

I don't like to have a synth or drivers that have to be updated twice a week.... so it's better to get a finished product...

Why is when one has money to spend.....one gets impatient to spend? Usually i have f*&$ all money.....being a student at uni hehe.

DS

I just downloaded OS2.0 for the V-Synth ... blew my socks off!!!!
The new supersaw, feedback and x-mod oscs are awesome. That coupled with the new step-mod and my TI-lusting has almost ceased (which is a good thing because I just blew my TI money which has been sitting here since December on upgrading my studio).
I think the new V-rack is going to give the TI a very good run for it's money.

:roll:

unlikely...

...and join the rest of us fools that held a glimmer of hope that it might still ship in march :roll:

Yeah, the JP80x0 is a great synth and so is the v-synth. It took awfully long that they realized that their JP80x0 is one of the best synths they have ever made and imported those oscillators to v-synth.

Roland is a funny company. It seems that they never really understand what they are doing and what features that customers want but by accident they sometimes bring a very good synth out. I guess they haven't realized yet why the tb303 sold so much and still remains very sought after synth. Their variOS 303 demo sounds a joke. They don't have a clue for what sounds people use the 303 for. Also their onboard synth demos are super funny. I'm not sure what kind of music they listen to in Japan but those demos must be the worst ever made. But it's still interesting to see that they sometimes build a new good synth BY ACCIDENT! :D

To be honest.......since all the R&D has been done already....I dont understand why it is Roland cant reamake genuinely analog Jupiters and TB's again. Production costs could be minimised......I would have thought the profit margin would have been greater now that back in the 80's.

DS

I have been thinking about the same too. Would I buy a new SH101 with midi and patch memory or a juno106, of course! I don't want to buy those 20-30 year old second hand synths anymore which are in poor condition and can break down any day. I had a Juno106 and once had to open it to replace one of the faders and I was shocked when I saw the circuits and cabling. The power cord inside the synth for example was so weak that it came loose when I opened the synth's cover. I don't understand people who drop their synths or make scratches on their surfaces. HORRIBLE! All my synths are in 100% condition. I don't like people who don't take care of their musical instruments. And it doesn't matter how old the synth is. If a user takes care of his/her synths they will be like new after 20 years too.

But to answer the original "question", digital micro processors and memory are cheaper than analog LSI chips and altough they cost the same the manufacturer would have to use many times more of those analog chips compared to 1 or 2 DSPs which can calculate everything the synth needs. So Roland makes more money with digital technology than analog. That's true and sad.

I'm not too sure it won't. I had a V-Synth and can tell you there is a lot more to it than first impressions give. Strickly as a sound creation tool it is pretty powerful.

I am getting a TI and a V-Synth XT to make sure I have all the bases covered. That's right... TWO WAITING LISTs.

buhahaaahahahaha, so so true! :lol:

I think I remember reading one time that it's something to do with the Japs not wanting to use the instruments for which they're not primarily designed for....

...Such, that they read the manual, and then use the instrument exactly as per the manual, in a tame and timid way.... As opposed to breaking the rules and really stretching the envelope and breaking new ground.

They would learn a lot from European dance music production techniques.

Hi DS, I think it's to do with reliability and profit margins. With digital DSP, all they need is to do the original programming, and then the chips/processors cost tu'pence to manufacture from thereafter.... Bang!, large profit margins and long-lasting reliability, with poor (but lots of, 'cos it looks good on paper) sounds. In the running to get even more sales via impressive specifications (on paper), they often bypass the fact that fewer, top-quality voices are worth more than 128+ shit ones.

Thus, the only real problem is when they don't progress or advance in the execution of their DSPs, along with advances in technology... And instead churn out the same old shit time and time again. The Boss SP505 (circa 2002), for example, I listened to a demo of it the other day and it sounded identical (the exact same samples) as my MC505 did back in 1997. Dreadful. I think that a lot of the programmers and sound-designers must never actually listen to any real music outside of the factory, in order to get it wrong so badly!

[Edit, oops, FSD covered this in his above post. That'll teach me to read the rest of the thread before replying! ;) ]

Well I've got bags under my eyes from being up all night with OS2 for the V. The hole in my sonic arsenal created by selling my VirusB in December has been filled and I think I'm also going to flog my Juno 106 on eBay. The huge spectrum of sounds you can create is staggering. I only wish there was a third or even fourth osc per voice, but it is possible to layer patches (and of course resample and Variphrase an osc).
A lot has changed overnight, and I never thought I'd say it, but the TI will need to be pretty damn special at this stage for me to consider buying it.
-g

that vsynth is nice eh?

I have the V-synth also.....

Great synth and love it dearly.....very easy to learn as well. It kick's out amazing stuff !!!

The latest OS update was released a few days ago BTW

Its weird.....but from what ive heard of the V-synth I havent been too impressed. Having said that (and here comes the contradiction!)...am interested in the new 'user-friendly' D50 update. Now that could really rock. Anyone tried it yet?

DS

Oh and getting back on topic.....anyone heard anymore on release dates for the TI? Or is it all silence.....

DS

thats true but roland (i assume) still have all the schematics. they know exactly how its built they know its physical characteristics. if anyone could physically model a tb-303 - its roland. which is why when they released that software synth in cakewalk kinetic and it sounded like total shit - i was really confused.

and besides. when will roland realise that there is a big market for analog synths and there are plenty of people who are willing already to pay over a grand for a fully working teebee on ebay. seeing as how vintage analog prices have inflated so much in the past 10-15 years, roland could still make a killing off these things even despite the manufacturing costs.

roland is indeed a strange company.

not silence - just no real info.
from what we have heard recently it could be months yet....

cheers

blay

Shit really? Im not sure I can wait months. Im thinking 4 weeks is my max now. Come on Access.......let me be a Beta Tester!!!!

DS

i wait 2 more weeks max, then i will cancel my order & look for a second hand VA.

Good choice. It can be that when the TI comes out it will still have problems with the integration compatibility. I am not going to buy a TI at first when it comes out. I want to see does it work or not. It's also so expensive (but worth it) that I will rather wait for a good deal of it for a while. At some point I will buy it if it works like promised.

I'll give it til May 1st, then I'll be frustrated enough to cancel my preorder. Though I'm torn, because after much wheeling and dealing with the local Guitar center I got the TI Keyboard for $2,100.00 US . I think thats a good deal! First thing I do every morning is go to the Access website. It really worries me that they aren't at the NAMM in Germany, or am I wrong about that. That tells me there's a major problem. I hope the company isn't going under, I'm such a Virus fanatic.

Really, this means nothing - they didn't do it last year, either.

ben crosland: There wasnt really any "NEW flagship product from Access last year, so it makes sense that they werent there last year.

However, I was expecting them to be there this year + have a new demo and AT LEAST a fixed release date. Now, we don't even know if it's months or weeks. That sucks bigtime!

Ben do you have any heads up on what stage of Beta testing they are in, are they coming close to the end of testing or still have quite a while?

Trade shows are, first and foremost, there to attract orders from distributors and dealers - hence the name 'trade show'. Now that the internet provides such an effective means of raising awareness of a new product, a lot of these dealers aren't even bothering to go to Frankfurt and most of the European distributors go to NAMM anyway.

I'm afraid I can't comment on such matters. One thing I can tell you for certain though - shipping day is one day nearer than it was yesterday ;)

Access released the B-series at Frankfurt Messe, and also the C series at the Messe when it came along. Made sense, seeing as they're German/European, and it's a local venue.

Ah... Ha.... So there IS a set shipping date. 8) Until now, that statement wouldn't have been a true statement. For all we knew, the shipping date kept slipping back, back, back with each day that passed.

This is a typical Access response. You have managed to write two sentences that tell us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Who cares when the TI comes? Its going to come sometime.....

We should all just relax....its bad for your health hehe

DS

I was just reading in another thread about people who are cancelling their pre-orders. Well whats the point of that? Are you really going to spend ?1000+ on a synth thats kinda 2nd best. You'll most likely kick yourself for being impatient when the TI finally does arrive. So we're all in this unfortunate position of having to wait......and wait. But hey...I suppose there are worse things in life than getting stressed over set backs. Ive just been to a funeral of a friend.

DS

Exactly DS. Its a complete shitter and Access are taking the piss totally but I wouldnt even think about cancelling either 1) to make a statement (that will achieve FUCK all) 2) to buy some crappy half arsed cheaper kit that will amuse me for about 5 mins and wont be even remotely close to the TI.

Sit it out, bitch on here a bit, watch some pr0n. It will come soon enough :)

ten

I have the D50 card !

But the V-synth is better. The D50 presets are a bit "old" now. But still usable though.

I take back what I said in my last post about cancelling my pre order. Thank you DS for putting things back into perspective, you are so right! I really appreciate your cool head. I just went to the local dealer and found out I'm #1 on the waiting list. I just need to be more patient. Seems I continually have to teach myself that valuable lesson. Why in the world agonize over something I have no control over? There's more to life than waiting. :D