yea, i hate pianos, guitars and drums in pop music to....so dated now and tiresome :roll:

In all genres of music its how those sounds are used by the player/producer. Yes trance is saturated with saws, and a lot of it is shit, but there is still a LOT of good stuff being made, even with saws. Its not the instrument, its the person using it, right?

ten

yes, you're right...

but where else can one get a point across when 99% of Trance is so utterly shit and retarded, than smack bang in the middle of a debate about the supersaws.

I would personally love to hear some good trance, and someone who can breathe life into the supersaw by doing something new with it, will get my money 100%.

The fact is though, the people falling over themselves to make trance are focusing more on the cheddar sound of the supersaws than using a soulful approach, and trying to push the genre in a new direction, with fresh new sounds, which is what made trance so great all those years ago.

Trance as a concept is about embracing and imagining the future. Ask the lovers of the original wave of trance what it was that got them hooked, and the majority answer will be:

"...because it sounded like the future..."

What is futuristic about using sounds which have been used a million times for the last 6 years?

Aching for a JP8000 style supersaw on the Virus TI displays such a staggering lack of vision.


P.S. Would you please link me to a resource where the good trance is being made/played these days?

Again, its how the sound is used, not the sound itself. The same as one mans noise is another mans music. Simply writing off a saw is like writing off a piano.

Trance is such a wide genre now its hard to define anything about it, future sounds I wouldnt agree on, at least not in 2005. Its evolved so much and taken elements from so many other genres, listen to tiestos new 'in search of sunrise 4' to see what kind of stuff the 'best trance dj in the world' is playing now.

As for a link you will have to be more specific. I still like the stuff Armin, Tiesto, Push etc are all making but I also like the newer moodier/funkier breed of Gabriel/Dresden and Andain. I also love the hard evil german banging shit like scot project, yoji biomenhanik, derb and kai tracid :)

ten

cool, okay.

if I give you some examples of stuff which completely blew me away, perhaps you could recommend someone similar..?

Tiesto I'm not interested in at all. Push was good, if they're still creating subtle and mysterious music, then I'm in.

Actually, the one track which really does if for me on so many levels is Subterra by Nikola Gala. Labelled Progressive House, but it holds all the values I associate with the great trance of years gone by.

I will check out the ones you mentioned, thanks.

The lead used in BT's Flaming June was a preset directly lifted from the original Virus A.

Ace.

I have never owned a virus... I am looking forward to it very much :)

although i obviously don't know it for sure, the JP series sounds like there is a kind if master EQ which you cannot switch off. the virus' frequency response is dead flat and you can make it sound pretty much like the JP if you boost around 8k. i don't have my JP8080 at hand though, maybe you need to boost around 12k as well.

best, marc

Hi everyone! this is my first post!!! :oops:
I used to own a Virus C but I sold it in November because of the announcement of the TI :?
Anyway. I figured out that beside EQing the highs of the virus, you can achieve better results in the higher frequencies by exciting. I personally use the Aphex exciter, model 250. It adds detail in the highs in an EXTREMELY discreet way, giving the virus an even more unique character that it already has. I have tried every excisting software eq, including Sony oxford (ProTools) and some software exciters but they didn't do the thing. It's odd though that we still have to use the analog domain to achieve certain things, especially with all this technology around us!

Pseudo, check out the ASOT (A State Of Trance) radio show played out by Armin van Buuren on Thursdays.

The radio show has recently moved from ETS-Global.org to its new location at Digitally Imported at www.di.fm.

Here's the direct link to the stream where ASOT will be played out: http://www.di.fm/mp3/trance.pls

I don't know where you're based in the world, but here are the different international times when it is broadcasted: Digitally Imported Radio (www.di.fm) every Thursday 2PM US Eastern / 7PM UK / 20:00 Central European Time on the Trance channel.

There's a lot of great new trance out there at the moment.

I especially love "Mike Foyle vs. Signalrunners - Love Theme Dusk" either the Mike Foyle's Gladiator mix or Mike's Broken Record mix.

And I absolutely love the Sensation white anthem 2005 "Armin van Buuren - Serenity".

Both absolutely f'kin awesome trance tunes!!! :D (still unreleased, but check out the radio rips).

Seeyou...Welcome!

And thanks for the advice, I'll make sure to try out that exciter :)