To each their own. I can respect what you have to say here.

It think it'd be good if the Hypersaw sounded different to the Supersaw, as we already have the supersaw, although the supersaw is definately a hard act to follow!!

However, a modelled JP8 filter (amongst others) would be nice to add to the Moog in the Virus! :)

Mad - I'm really quite surprised how sweet that sounded without external processing. Like, radio-ready and rip roaring to go. It really does sound polished from the off. I've never had the chance to play with a JP80x0, though, but it sounds amazing.

The supersaw/hypersaw sounds like it would be great for moody film soundtracks, too, with long attacks and releases. Pads, etc.

you've actually summed up how i write music ;) pretty succintly too. thats why my username on tranceaddict is 'derivative'

my music is mostly derived from the inspiration i get from other songs. i hear a sound i like. i try to recreate it. but its never exact. and i always find something different about it which is worth evolving. and eventually it grows into something else.

i think those supersaw patches are a good starting point. to get to something which hopefully might just sound even better but in a slightly different way. good luck.

you are right. the supersaw is a cliche. but theres a reason why sounds like this become cliched in the first place - because they sound fucking phat. the 303 is even more omnipresent than the supersaw and i still cant get enough of that sound. its so beautiful in its simplicity and its character. supersaws arent hard to build either. but theres something about that sound i cant get enough of. with just the right amount of detune (not too much mind) it has the pure string kind of quality. which is just...i dunno. really pure sounding. i can understand why people use it to death.

even when i become bored and jaded with these sounds, ill always remember how blown away i was when i first heard them and first tried to recreate them. im not about to deny anyone the pleasure to be had in building their first 303 acid line, or their first supersaw. or the pleasure of hearing it from a new generation of synthesizers.

that said. using the supersaw as a reference point for something to build upon. derive something new out of it. thats what im interested in with the TI hypersaw. ben's patches so far have been pretty stonking. im trying to imagine a cold wavetable crossing over into a warm, fat analogue hypersaw pad. hmmmmm. yummy. and once we've established what this thing can do in terms i can understand, i feel i can begin to start thinking about what else is possible on the machine. but i really am curious to hear if the hypersaw can hit that 'sweet spot' the JP can do with VA detuned spread leads. the regular virus could never quite touch upon that warmth and solidity that the JP had when it was full on. my virus b always sounds sibilant on the top end and when the filter is fully open it sounds mute and fuzzy. not fat and crunchy when im using multiple saws, detune, spread and unison. the virus is awesome for plucked type leads though. wow. thats one aspect of the virus i cant get enough of.

I agree. It's not the instrument's fault if the player cannot play it well. I love the JP8000 supersaw and I love the virus too.

For some reason when I played on the JP8000 I thought it was a pretty dull sounding synth. I spent about year with it.....and came to the conclusion it had aweful sounding filters. The JP8000 is not in the same league as the Jupiter 8......and im a little sick of hearing people refer to it 'erroneously' as just that.....

The JP8000 to my ears lacks warmth and presence.....its pretty cold and tiring on the ears. The build quality is not too great either.....

But hey, since dance/trance/techno music has its own 'sound' then the use of VA's such as the JP8000 is ok.....just not my cup of Earl Grey...

DS

DS, quite a scary post! 8O :lol:

In fact some analog synth sounds just don't fit into trance music. I like analog monosynth sounds but some leads and strings are impossible to make with some old analog synths. They sound too harsh or dark or something. Trance needs digital sounds. And the filter of the JP sounds wonderful to my ears. I like analog filters and usually they're always better than any digital ones but JP's filter is the best one to use with supersaw.

As for bieng a jp8080 and previous virus c owner. I think the jp has a fatter saw. Not sayin the TI couldnt emulate the jp to a close degree. Until I get my hands on a TI time will tell. with Rolands great tone control the patches sound powerfull and crisp. still nothing like the sound of 2 slightly detuned super saws with light chorus in a performance patch. Both synths have their own unique lush sound.

I think the JP8000 has a character that is not easily emultaed, which is why I want to get it again. It is a synth in it's own league and goes far beyond trying to emulate other things. It can do things not many other things can do as far as sound creation. For example...take the X Mod function..that can give you some CRAZY sounds.

Just for oscilator 1 isnt it? I cant remember the Jp8000 having that waveform on both oscilators. God, just shows you how long ago it is since ive last used one. Never liked the cold digital sound....

DS

I own the JP8000 and the 8080, and I have to say I've never used the supersaws in a track because the whole thing is so dated and tiresome.

The JP8000's filter opening up on a supersaw isn't uplifting at all. It's the equivalent of Power Ballads of the 80's. The power chords which were so unbelievably heart wrenching in their hey day, but significantly shit only a few years later. This is the EXACT same situation faced by Trance. It's over the top, and it's boring.

I wonder what instruments BT and Paul Van Dyk used to make the legendary trance tracks such as Binary Finary 1998 mix and Flaming June... They certainly weren't the supercheese trance leads we have been pounded with since 2000. They're more subtle, more mysterious, and more sophisticated than just banging out an arpeggiated supersaw.

My God, look it's 2005 for **** sake, that whole concept is dead and rotting.

Make something new, with new sounds.