DS: she doesn't mind at all.. hehe

and yah, please post some examples of that music you

*cough* 90's and trance *cough*, *cough* and hard house *cough*, *cough* and booring minimal stuff in general *cough*. Damn with this cough of mine.

I don't think the hardhouse/hard trance thing has come anywhere near peaking. I think alot of people are put off by these words because it brings mental images of Vengaboys and DJ Sammy when in reality, the good stuff is some of the most stonking and creative electronic music out there. It is full of melody with driving hard beats under it. What more do you want?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not one eyed, I love all kinds of music but I think that when they find a new term for these genres that doesn't evoke negative mental images, people will start going to the parties alot more and we will see these genres grow immensely.

Also, it may be just before its time. E.G. Heavy metal...The best stuff was made in the 80's and wasn't really all that commercially viable and now talentless fools like Linkin Park are making a killing nearly 20 years later.

I think you're not talking about hard trance/hard house here. Hoho. I've said millions of times how whole trance genre is marking time when 99,9% of the artists are copycats. One guy gets a new idea and immediately billion other producers are copying that idea. It's just killing the whole genre. Creative and trance just won't fit on the same sentence. Sad but true.

The easy access of top quality production equipement is killing trance. There are heaps of trance producers out there who don't seem to have any kind of idea of what they are doing, they just copy. That made me thinking maybe we should get a system in which you would need a written permission/certificate to get music software or synths: You'll get the synths when you know what you're doing.

This genre thing on electronic scene is hilarious. It seems that most of the people just focus their creative efforts on new genres instead of music. Hoho. There's a point in what you said, but the history has taught us that when someone invents a new genre and the genre becomes popular then all of a sudden over 50% of artists are on that genre no matter what kind of music they make. And this effect happens on all over the electronic scene and even on "traditional" music scene (for example progressive rock, it seems everybody want to be cool and progressive so they call their music as progressive rock even they sound like Yngwie Malmsten). But sometimes there's no reason for creating a new genre. In those cases creating a new genre is some sort of ego boosting of the inventor: "I make neuro-progressive acupunctic feeble trance, and because no-one else listens to it or makes it, I must be cool and ahead of my time", which means he/she makes trance, but calling it trance is sooooo out and lame. Or maybe he/she is just one of those different-no-matter-what people. He/she invents claustrophobic neoindustrial fartcore and then makes tracks only by farting on bassline and trying to look smart.

Linkin Park and the other rubbish shouldn't be mixed with heavy metal. Let the nu-metal white-rapperish-boy-doing-angstic-metal guys be. Good thing is though that they actaully invented a new genre themselves instead of trying to be black metal or something. Hoho. They surely know what's best for them.

They should call "white labels" "brown labels" with this genre!

That's all I wanted to add to this thread.

But before I leave....

Cool and progressive are 2 adjectives that should not be used to describe the "prog rock" genre. The only prog rock music I have listened to is the stuff you have linked me to Juho, and there is one adjective I'd use to descibe that - Crap! :lol:

Blasphemy! Progressive rock is best you can have! Fusion jazz and progressive rock is all you need. Plus some healthy dose of black metal, classical, basic rock, ambient, and actually everything. And by the way when talking about progressive rock you really should think what was progressive in the 70's, not what's progressive at the moment.

Edit: I think everybody on this forum should give even one listen to Dancing With the Moonlight Knight by Genesis and Tarkus by Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Brilliant classics. Also not to forget Aqualung by Jethro Tull or Shine On You Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd... There are so many classics. Plus remember to listen to some Jaco Pastorius' stuff (Chicken, Kuru/Speak Like a Child) before you say any of your music groovy. ?hih.

Maybe we should put up a thread where people could list their favourite tracks. I'd like to have something fresh on my playlist for a change.

When I say hardhouse or hard trance I mean the kind of stuff you will find for sale at bangingtunes.com

Have a listen to some of the releases on there eg. Prime Movers Perfect Orgasm on Tripoli.

I hope to be able to match this one day

Hardly the next thing though...

"Creative and trance just won't fit on the same sentence. Sad but true."

There are loads of very creative producers out there. Statements like the above just illustrate narrow minded-ness.

The creativeness should be a bit more popular. One or two guys being creative can't keep up probably the biggest electronic genre. As I said someone invents something new and right away others are copying.