At least in Finland the state collects and takes care of taxing, not the music industry. ?hih. When you pay salaries to musicians, mixermen, etc, you're an employer, which means you'll have to be an entrepeneur which leads into a taxation hell and to seventh level of Dante's recepit inferno. Running a small business is not an easy task. Loads of work with the financial things.

Wouldn't it be nice if you would get more pay for an average factory work so you wouldn't have to work extra shifts to get some money left after living costs. Life is like a flower bed: There is no flowers without manure and dirt. Totally equal business and market is total utopia. It's just a thing one has to accept. As long as humans are running the system there will be greedy bastards. But remember kids that the big music industry bullies are not the only one's cooping more than they need. for example think of Paul McCartney - Why none of you whine why he haven't spend his millions to support new music and musicians even he can burn 100 pounds in bright flame each minute and he would still have money left when he dies? Greed folks, greed. If the big bullies don't take the extra then someone else does. I'm not saying that the modern music industry is great, but don't bite the hand that feeds your fellows.

A bad contract is a bad contract.

Everyone takes a far bigger slice if they can. If you take a hundred people in a big hall with a huge box in the middle filled with 20 euro notes and put up a sign declaring "One note per person", what do you think does everyone walk out with one note in their hand? Of course they do, except they have their pockets and shirts filled with notes.

But not buying it because of the label is really just doing damage to the artists. Buy the record, damn it! I bet my arm that you wear clothes that has one promille of the sales income spent to the salaries of the people actually making them and I also bet that the profits of almost everything you have bought is unfairly shared. Still you don't seem to make a number of it. We live in a rotten globalised world in which silly itty-bitty fraction of people get all the profits excluding the itty-bitty fraction that goes to the other people. Unfair world.

What is this? A peace pipe of some sort! I fart in your peace pipe's general direction!

well at least we all agree on 1 thing

I didn't knew trance producers could be super rich demi gods. Oh well, the days, the days.

i didnt mention trance i dont make trance and i wouldnt listen to trance in my spare time either. but if i do decide to that means i will never be super rich or make it at all? and according to you some spotty teenager at home who makes trance using reason is also less a musician, im sure that could offend alot of people in this forum.

do you have to be so anal juho this thread probablly would have stoped ages ago or could have possiblly even been inormative for quote all the kiddies out there end quote. instead of being some verbal and musical industrtry knowledge show of strength .
how did you become a mod anyway i ythink it may have gone to your head.

Oh well, then you have a manager for your band and if you are big enough an accountant and so on. Maybe a few bands get together to share these people who do the boring stuff, but they should be answering to the bands as they are the reason these people have jobs. The major labels have got this all messed up so that the bands who should have the power and a say in how they do things have no power and get fucked over as much as the label possibly can.

So you think that we should just give up and never try to make anything better? And I'd bite that major label hand given the chance. There is no way I'd sign a major label contract even if I was talented enough to get offered a contract.

But that is all the major labels offer. So fuck them, I'm not supporting a business that behaves like that.

Not me, but I guess if everyone does it we should just give up and go with the flow eh?

I do try to avoid bastard companies of all sorts, major record labels just make it easy as their product is rarely something I want ;)

Okay it's on then. Let's fight :twisted:

There it is... A manager. An equal to the frightening suit man and Mr.Unfair share.

Bands getting together to share economic resources and employees is called a label.

As I said a bad contract is a bad contract. If you're stupid enough to sign a contract that's bad for you then it's your own personal tear. Don't hit the session musicians, damn it!

I don't think we should just sit down. I mean we shouldn't eat our fellow men's bread. The major labels are going down by themselves. Let's just make sure that the musicians and other crew working on those labels make a living.

If you find a good band on a big label, you automatically assume they have a bad contract? If they have a bad contract and you don't buy the record just because of the label the band is even more deep shit.

No-one does take extra. Never... Some how it jsut happens. Has to be the elves then.

Why don't you avoid instead of trying to avoid?

Tshihihii. The tradition goes on. I have done field research for years...

I'm not anal. I'm just waking people up from time to time. Yesmen culture is bad for people. By the way this has become informative when I've brought up a different opinion with good arguments which creates discussion. Thread stopping is not a good sign. A thread stopping short means that the subject is banal and totally trivial which causes no interest. A fellow musicians living is not a trivial thing so I'd be really concerned if this thread would have died in few posts.

We have our little traditions here. Hoho. Enjoying the forum requires adapting a filtering method that turns most of the crap around here to sarcasm, humour and satire.

If people start to sleep, I'll wake them up. It's good for the forum, you'll see.

Oh oh, seems like Juho is trying to be the main reason for more forum members leaving.

What's the total so far Juho?

Hey! I'm just trying to get some discussion here!

Three or four. I'm not sure.

Pff - I am with HC on this one..Trance totally kicks Progressive Rock Jazz Fusion ass!

I like those dreamy pad sounds and a arp supersaw-sound!