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Dave Smith...desingned midi to be future proof. We havent even exhausted the full capabilities of midi yet! I dont know how midi could be further improved. I think its a restriction in a lot of senses. One day music wont be made with midi.

DS

Oh and just another thing....how can you say the TI is too perfect? If it totally illiminated menue work...i'd say you might be right :D

DS

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Originally Posted by marc

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Originally Posted by Hollowcell

All the latest talk about timing is really over hyped (now that you bring it up Blay).

Latency/timing only became an issue when the first softsynths hit the scene. However, there were people setting up huge daisy chains of equipment creating slopy timing, but appart from that, midi is no problem what so ever - specially if set up right.

As long as the sequncer is recording and playing back exactly what I've played going in, then that's all I need.

I can run 16 channels of midi, with over dubbed CC automation, going out to alot of different hardware while at the same time having it all synced to midi clock with no glitches at all! I'm happy enough.

The TI being too perfect? Wavetable, hypersaw, full multi-timbral functions including FX and 80 voices does sit pretty high in my books, but sample tight intergration is not that high on my list. :D

i disagree on that. the problem with MIDI is certainly not that timing is not perfect. the problem is that timing is not predictable. i give you an example. you want a bass to sit right on the kick. with midi, there is pretty much no chance to control which event the sequencer sends first. so you add a pad to your kick/bass arrangement and suddenly, the bass i s late. then you compensate with MIDI delay but once you play a more complex chord with the pad, you bass moves again. maybe because the channel the bass is on is being send after the channel the pad is played on, maybe because you synth does priotize things differently.

perfect timing is not about taking the life out of the music. it is about a note on event remaining on the same position, no matter what you change in the arrangement.

it sounds basic but did you ever think about the reasons artist have to go through all the trouble to sample their MIDI synths and use samples instead of the actuall MIDI triggers when they arrange?

i believe that human timing (as long as the players are good) is the perfect base for a good groove. thousands of artist have proven that. but as little as you want your drummer to be off after a break you want your synth bass to hit the kick only occationally.

best, marc

Interesting points there Marc. I think this definitely varies depending on the sequencer, midi interface and the use of software alongside hardware.

I honestly don't get any timing issues at all. I must say though, when I record bass, I usually run straight to audio, or route to the sampler, but I never did this for timming though. I would do this as the gear I use for bass doesn't usually have midi. I should say though, that maybe my example of 16 midi tracks was a little over-stated though. I do tend to move to audio or the sampler far before that. :D

You mentioned about triggering samples instead - well these samples usually would be triggered by midi wouldn't they. Of course they aren't as complex and notation, but still, it's midi.

EDIT; But hype it up though Marc. I'm sure it will help the sales of the new machine. :wink:

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Originally Posted by marc

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Originally Posted by Hollowcell

it sounds basic but did you ever think about the reasons artist have to go through all the trouble to sample their MIDI synths and use samples instead of the actuall MIDI triggers when they arrange?
best, marc

You mentioned about triggering samples instead - well these samples usually would be triggered by midi wouldn't they. Of course they aren't as complex and notation, but still, it's midi.

I think by: 'sample their MIDI synths and use samples' Marc means 'record them to an audio track in the sequencer' ;)

To be honest, I think that the 'sample accurate' timing of the TI is going to be one of those features that is polarised by the needs of different kinds of musicians. Personally, my ears are not nearly so sensitive to timing discrepancies as they are to some - on the other hand the friend with whom I make music is the musical equiavalent to the 'Princess and the Pea' - i.e. he can't even listen to a working arrangement until the beats are perfectly locked in with each other. So, indirectly, sample-accuracy will be something I will come to really appreciate in the TI ;)

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Originally Posted by saba

Its only possible to do communications across it at, what was the figure, 18kbaud?

31.25 kbaud. The basic MIDI is indeed really outdated (released in 1982 maybe?). Although it can handle the basic stuff like controllers, notes, etc, but it gets stuck if you feed MIDI clock and other heavy continuous stuff. By the way isn't MIDI2 already standardised? Long time ago I saw an article in Keyboard about MIDI2, but I don't remember any details.

Wasn't Yamaha's "mLan" ever meant to take over?

With the speed and girth of bandwidth of firewire (effectively mLan) and USB2 readily available, already with a huge user-base, there's a massive opportunity to update to a better standard.

Five-pin DINs on synths and stuff could still be retained for backwards compatibilty, of course.

Access have done well in that regard, imho. With their smoothing of CC data to avoid the 'stepping' which was available from the outset (albeit being part of their innovative synth programming and design, rather than changing the MIDI standard), and now using USB to transfer MIDI and several channels of audio.

Some of you guys are pretty insane with this "analogue" thing...I personally spend more time writting a good piece instead of tryin to make digital equipment sound analogue...because if you truely truely think about it any fans that you might have dont care...they like your arrangements, not your equipment :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

I personally dont have sync/timing problems anymore and i am glad...that was a pain in the ass...

peace
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Is it a simple task for Access to upgrade the USB specs? if so...then maybe they should do it...just to get you techno nerds off their backs :lol:

DS :o

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Originally Posted by DIGITAL SCREAMS

just to get you techno nerds off their backs :lol:

DS :o

Hehehe. :lol:

Nice.

Easy there DS.

Techno nerds are people too.