ROTFLMAO. What a douche.

The Ti is a fantastic sounding synth, that's for sure. I have the MK1 keyboard so I can not comment on the MK2. In my experiences of late, I have still had the crashes with 3.0.3 but not so frequent. In fact, the crash happened when I was not even using the VC, same symptoms as before. All I know is I have sent 2 emails to support and they have not got back to me, but always have done in the past promptly, so someone must be on holiday! Either way, I have been close to the point of satisfaction in Logic 8.0.2 using the VC, but behavior is erratic for me, so I will say it's not stable enough. However, things can only improve judging by some information left by marc on one of my posts and with any luck snow leopard (for us intel mac users of course). I could however be completely wrong with that! The fact is I suppose, Access are forever pulling their finger out with releases unlike a lot of other software / hardware manufacturers that leave us all dangling with no hope in sight. To cut this very long story short, get your wallet out. Just check out the resale value on ebay!

Cheers.

I owned a Classic and a Snow, now I have a TI2 desktop. It is very unstable.
It 'sneezes' from time to time where it creates a loud momentary noise and all the LEDs turn off at the same time.If you are a live performer then this will be a nightmare. Not recommendable at the moment. I hope access will expedite the solution to this very annoying problem.

That's exactly the problem! Imagine that going through your PA at full blast! It's bad enough at home through my poor genelecs. :mad:

What kind of TIOS are you guys running....cause the "sneezing" of my TI Desktop stopped when i installed OS 3.0.3.0

3.0.3 here

Same here. Standalone and with VC, works perfectly, and I was crashing on the previous beta.

i was crashing like that but 3.0.3 fixed all those problems for me.

What are you doing when the crash happens? Are you using Virus Control or just standalone. Maybe with some more information there is a solution.

+1

no crashing here at all with 3.0.3

I always use VC but I don't think VC is related to the problem because I've seen it crash regularly when it's just sitting on my desk and the USB cable isn't even plugged in.

You always use VC, yet it was turned on and not plugged into USB?
I don't understand why you would do that.
My TI has never crashed when not in use ie notes playing, and I've had it since the day they came out.

Because that's a very easy way to tell if it's a problem with the virus and/or virus OS or a problem with my computer and/or VC. I unplugged the USB cord and did arp edit + power the virus on while the USB was still disconnected just to be sure. Left it there for about 10 minutes and it crashed. Done multiple tests that way with the same results each time too, so there's no way it's a fluke or anything.

It's 3.0.3.0 on a TI2 Desktop. I am not using the VC but runs it with a HW sequencer.

Sounds like a sensible test Sonis, I leave the USB plugged in all the time, even though I do most of my editing and performing on the hardware.

I am feeling increasingly lucky for my own experience of Virus synths over the years,
In particular I feel really sorry for those who have bought the TI2 "updated" version and found it has worse bugs than the TI currently.

That said, the original TI had much worse, showstopping bugs for the first year or 18 months,
I expect the full power of TI2 will be revealed soon (couple more patches down the road).

Well, I took a trip down Analog Lane and didn't care too much for it. So, I have backtracked to my original obsession; I have ordered an Access TI2 Polar. Can't wait...:) Should make a nice compliment to my XS6... Wish me luck guys!!

I like to experiement alote and for sure not stable for me as an effect unit in stand alone mode-OS 3.0.3 TI MK1...Was spinning with Serato and right out of the mixer staight into Virus (Ableton Live also open..).I think the crashing maybe has to do with me switching the atomiser on & off so i can tongle between atomiser & stand alone effects.
Can anyone confirm it?

Might be part of it but I never use atomizer and I still have rampant crashing problems with 3.0.3. My virus will crash when it's sitting completely idle with no USB cord even plugged in.

Wow...
Let's hope Access is all over this and fix it...

Yeah I've been waiting over a month now, and my last question to support asking for an update has gone unanswered for 4 days now. I've been thoroughly unimpressed with their support to be honest.

If the synth didn't sound so good when it works I would have sent it back a long time ago.

I have the luxury to own a TI MK1 so reverting back to 2.7.5 fixed everything.
Guess TI2 users have to wait a little bit longer for a smoother version..

Hang on there..

can i ask whether its morally right to release any hardware device with faults ? i am confused as to why access are selling these synths with all these problems ? when korg and roland are not ? clavia nord ? bugs ? i owned 25 synths over 20 years and i never had so many problems as i have with the ti , the virus c didnt have these issues ? what went wrong as something did ?
what confuses me is why access arr selling these synths when they really on some level are not fit to sell and should be still in testing at the factory ? it sounds great but its just unstable and really this whole idea we pay £100o's to buy into this whole bug fix game needs to be questioned ? i cant think of another synth where i had to act as a beta testers for 4 years and still have issues ????????but best of all i pay for the priveledge .

@ izimizam

Maybe you didn't had much issue with older synths in the past but they hadn't any total integration, too.

The Virus is a sort of new product which you profit from the advatages of hardware and software (VST) possibilities.

The main problem is, that there are so many computer manufacturer and sequencer types that is becomes difficult to cover everybody. Some are using Logic, Steinberg, FL, or others and for computers it is like PC/Windows or MAC/Leopard, or LINUX etc. and 32-bit or 64-bit systems.

If you want to test all combinations which are possible you will never sell or produce anything.

Have a look at Microsoft how many years are the updatig their OS XP/VISTA?

The only way to get a better working OS is to release at a large scale. Sorry, but ACCESS can't test a product for every individual computer configuration.

no one seems to have considered that this could be cheap manufacture issues ? it seems some work in stand laone and some dont ? i find this odd , it also sounds like access have stated the ti2 issues are ' crashing ' machines .I really feel behind the scenes we may have bad manufacturere issues and the reason an os update never really solves it for everyine is that you cant remedy bad manufacture , you can try programming in code to avoid the crash but seriously why is the ti2 behaving worse than the mk1 now for some ? it makes no sense ?25% more power and yet the new os still upsets some machines ? one of the issues is there are so many setups from stand alone to full usb and so that could be clouding the issue but when people with brand new ti2's in stand alone mode are getting crashing machines thats no an os issue thats a bad hardware malfunction.Soem ti2's work though ? yeah which again suggests some machines have hardware issues.......i myself advise all ti2 buyers to order from shops , go in , spend 5 hiurs max with the device before handing cash over.We just sold our ti 1 due to its unreliable state at times and no were arranging delivery into a shop via credit card payment and the device will not be leaving the shop until its been tested.I am sorry if that upsets anyone but really people need to wake up and smell the roses , something is seriously not right when the ti2 is worse than the mk1 - what confuses me is just how access themselves in TESTING ? got no errors ? or did they get errors and think - what the hell - lets just sell it anyway ? i think people need to be honest here , this is unacceptable.What pisses me off is that i love the virus ti , its sound is wonderfull but why cant they just release a working version ? it seems access have no quality control department or dont test the machines before selling them ? seriously i think its time people started to realise whats probably going down here - bad build quality and no quality control , os updates are smoke and mirrors , its odvious some machines are more faulty than others isnt it ? even when both machines are running identical setups ? we had 2 x ti's here and one was worse than another by a long shot when we tested both side by side- hardware - not os........time people woke up.Yeah you got lucky and got a good one - some get bad ones........its not os its poor standards of manufacture or some generic fault in some units.I am sure of it.

That said, the original TI had much worse, showstopping bugs for the first year or 18 months,
I expect the full power of TI2 will be revealed soon (couple more patches down the road).[/quote]

yeah but this is the smoke and mirrors response , turn off total intergration , remove usb , use stand alone ? 2 of the ti's we had on every known os still crashed , popped , clicked , i really cant accept any of the excuses we all make for the ti , there is something deeply falwed in the machine on a hardware level or software level or in the build quality .I am guessing its the third , machines do seem to vary an awefull lot in reliability with the same os.One guy says ti2 - new os - no problems for hours - another guy says it crashes every 30 seconds ? its to easy to say - ah yes but its cutting edge - new - has total intergration therefore it will suffer a bit , thats madness to say that .The machines simple flawed in design and build......

If you want to test all combinations which are possible you will never sell or produce anything.

thats very true but why doesnt it work for many in stand alone mode ? can they maybe test it in stand alone mode ? lets remove the odvious smoke and mirrors and get to the truth of it - build quality and design./

@ izimizam

Well it was known that some of the TI 1 had issues with the hardware and if you had a faulty unit you had to return it to ACCESS. They did some hardware replacment. Ok, this was for TI 1.

If you have problems in stand alone and can't get anything out of your Virus 1 or 2 then you have to get in contact with ACCESS Support.

Maybe it's a faulty unit..... only ACCESS can give you a hand and search for the problem you have...

Good luck

strangely i was enevr told this though , access told me when i got bad clicks and dropsouts and pops . digital noise as a result of trying to use multiple parts in multi mode that it was the result of me pushing it to hard and trying to get to many parts ? i feel access should adverstise the machine as ' possibly 16 part multi timbral ' .I can agree some of this is hardware malfunction , sadly acces never suggested this and instead suggested i was to blame for trying to do to much.I think you will find the ti2 is the same - i read people here with major issues on the latest beta os / i have personally tried 2 machines with no bad issues ( yes still some glitching when you try and do to many patches at once ) but via any known connection method and all connection methods the 2 i tried were stable relatiovely speaking - way more than the ti 1's i had so again i think we have some bad builds in the sales chain - are they made in china ? its a great shame as i do feel the virus ti is a liability , you really dont know if you have a good one or bad one until you do......i guess thats where credit card refunds come in and gurantees.I dont get this with other synths i buy new though ? and some of those have total intergration now ?we must accept the virus ti maybe has bad build quality or no quality control.

yeah i think there is a big problem with their synth
I own a ti snow fo about one year now and the virus control still cant work correctly. and dont get me started on the atomizer with the 3.3 it crash all the time I mean is there somebody who can actualy use it properly with sidechain in logic 8 ? I write to the customer support but that not helped me a lot. So if in six month it still cant work fine I sell it and buy a moog little fatty and bye bye access

izimizam -

you've stated in detail how unhappy you are and how much trouble your numerous TIs give you. i just wonder why you keep buying a synth which seems such a pain and not just return it to your dealer? - from a company that uses smoke and mirrors, which has hardware problems, apparently tells you more or less bullshit and not even manufacturers where they claim to on the box (in germany). i personally don't stay with products that cause me grief. life is to short for that.

best, marc
access music

In access's deffence i've just discovered something. I always thought the pops & clicks were my virus. Now after loading up a project with nothing but 16 tracks of heavy virus sounds, I got no pops & clicks.

Ok lots of note stealling going on as the virus can't actualy handle the 16 track load but it never popped or clicked once.

I know this aint a pop and click thread but thought it was worth a mention.

Its something else like cpu overload mixed in what is causing them. More experimenting later. Its actualy looking like it's the excesive use of vst's, effects routings and automation that is causing my virus to go all rice crispies. My cubase cpu meter is only half way up when I start getting them but it does flash red.

having owned a TI Polar and now a TI Keyboard all I can say is everytime I turn this board on I have a big smile on my face!

:)

I love the sound of the TI and in terms of reliability I've never had any issues that was not caused by me !

I had one issue with the polar that the keyboard cable came out of its socket disabling it but that was probably heavy handed shipping .. other than .. nothing

used it as a VST, stand alone, with a DAW, with a sequencer and now with my Fantom G6 too

its great and very happy .....

I dont understand the whiners... if you not liking it or unhappy ... just sell it .. tell your friends how unhappy you are but move on ..... I did the same with my M3 ....

One happy Access product user!

:)

Marc , what's your set up ? don't tell me you're on a mac ...
i love my snow in terms of sound and bought it just because of VC , which on a mac is very far from being stable .

EDIT : OS 4 seems to fix this issues !!!