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Berni 12.05.2009 11:20 PM

Well the arps in the RTAS version are STILL all over the place...with this version & ANY other RTAS version. I mean, am I asking too much that the arps sync to the beat of the project???? It's a basic fundamental & not a minor bug I can live with. I am also confused how they can release a 'finished' version with yet another beta version along side it...this is bullshit!

~BHG~ 13.05.2009 03:43 AM

Maybe your Apple is just garbage?!?!?!

Berni 13.05.2009 04:21 AM

thankyou for your wonderful insight, what a genius you are. The fact that the VST version in Live works fine on the same computer, with the same Virus, USB cable etc. etc. is still mystifying though. Only sad, pathetic wankers start platform flamers.

h4nc0 13.05.2009 08:39 AM

wanted to say that I am pretty happy with the frequent beta releases. Just hope that the VST3 version become usable soon.

fgimian 13.05.2009 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h4nc0 (Post 290059)
wanted to say that I am pretty happy with the frequent beta releases. Just hope that the VST3 version become usable soon.

Just out of curiosity, what sort of issues have you encountered with the VST3 version? For me it's only that I can't switch to linear control of the knobs, it's always circular. Are there any other major bugs with it?

marc 13.05.2009 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundpalace (Post 290060)
Just out of curiosity, what sort of issues have you encountered with the VST3 version? For me it's only that I can't switch to linear control of the knobs, it's always circular. Are there any other major bugs with it?

the knobs cannot be switched because steinberg didn't implement this function into cubase' VST3 support so far. we don't have a records of open and VST3 specific bugs, so h4nc0 what makes it unusuable for you?

marc

fgimian 13.05.2009 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc (Post 290063)
the knobs cannot be switched because steinberg didn't implement this function into cubase' VST3 support so far. we don't have a records of open and VST3 specific bugs, so h4nc0 what makes it unusuable for you?

marc

Hey Marc, thanks for the response. Are you certain about the linear / circular motion for VST3 plugins? I only ask because I just tested out many of the VST3 effects and instruments included with Cubase 4 and they do respond to both modes as set in the preferences. I can post a video to demo this if that helps.

Cheers :)

marc 13.05.2009 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundpalace (Post 290066)
Hey Marc, thanks for the response. Are you certain about the linear / circular motion for VST3 plugins? I only ask because I just tested out many of the VST3 effects and instruments included with Cubase 4 and they do respond to both modes as set in the preferences. I can post a video to demo this if that helps.

Cheers :)

we have a confirmation from steinberg that the functionality will be added with a future version of the VST3 SDK which will be supported by a future version of cubase. we know that steinberg's own plug-ins can already do that but we don't have access to this type of functionality.

best, marc

incubatid 13.05.2009 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc (Post 290068)
we have a confirmation from steinberg that the functionality will be added with a future version of the VST3 SDK which will be supported by a future version of cubase. we know that steinberg's own plug-ins can already do that but we don't have access to this type of functionality.

best, marc

Holy crap. Steinberg must actually be retarded.
This functionality was there in VST2. How on earth can they possibly take it away from the VST3 SDK, and then use the functionality themselves?! And then not produce a QUICK fix to the problem? I just can't see the logic here...

Do they want developers to actually use VST3 or what? :roll:

incubatid 13.05.2009 12:28 PM

Thankyou (again!) Access for all your hard work and support.

v3 is done! Amazing. Please have some beers on behalf of your fans, you all deserve it! :)

Cheers

fgimian 13.05.2009 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc (Post 290068)
we have a confirmation from steinberg that the functionality will be added with a future version of the VST3 SDK which will be supported by a future version of cubase. we know that steinberg's own plug-ins can already do that but we don't have access to this type of functionality.

best, marc

Thanks for the confirmation Marc, silly Steinberg, hopefully they will fix this in the SDK and actually implement input for VSTis in Cubase soon :)

h4nc0 13.05.2009 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc (Post 290063)
the knobs cannot be switched because steinberg didn't implement this function into cubase' VST3 support so far. we don't have a records of open and VST3 specific bugs, so h4nc0 what makes it unusuable for you?

marc


Hello marc,

A few revisions ago when I tried, it was not working too well. I actually haven't even installed the VST3 version in the latest beta. Maybe I should, but I just don't see the reason for using VST3 version without sidechain working.

wehurlbert 13.05.2009 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundpalace (Post 290015)
So far so good for me, I love the improvements. Although, I must admit that the new startup / shutdown LCD animations are hideous and unprofessional, v2 looked much better in this regard.

Yep - I have to agree.

-Wayne

marc 13.05.2009 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h4nc0 (Post 290073)
Hello marc,

A few revisions ago when I tried, it was not working too well. I actually haven't even installed the VST3 version in the latest beta. Maybe I should, but I just don't see the reason for using VST3 version without sidechain working.

idealistically there shouldn't be a difference in between the VST2 and VST3 version of the plug-in. if the VST3 version doesn't work well for you, i'd be interested to learn more about it. maybe you want to give it another try sooner or later.

best, marc

L.F. 13.05.2009 04:31 PM

First of all, thank you Access and Marc for a great update. 90% of (my) issues seem to be fixed now. :-)
Glad to see the "blank VST GUI" problem has been adressed.

As far as steinberg is concerned, I'm almost sorry to have bought their C5. This kind of behaviour on their part is simply pathetic. But it's not the first bad move they made, and it's obviously not the last... just wish some1 made a DAW I liked using more than cubase :-|

Also one question; What's the current advantage in using the VST3 version?
Is there any difference? If not, then why make a VST3 version?

Also if anyone knows... are steinberg plannig to adress these issues?

h4nc0 13.05.2009 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc (Post 290077)
idealistically there shouldn't be a difference in between the VST2 and VST3 version of the plug-in. if the VST3 version doesn't work well for you, i'd be interested to learn more about it. maybe you want to give it another try sooner or later.

best, marc

Actually, if they are really identical, I might have to try it again. But like I said before, without sidechain working, it's pretty much pointless, imo. I will try to use VST3 version instead of VST2 from now on, since you say they should be identical.

Hell Yeh 13.05.2009 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.F. (Post 290078)
First of all, thank you Access and Marc for a great update. 90% of (my) issues seem to be fixed now. :-)
Glad to see the "blank VST GUI" problem has been adressed.

As far as steinberg is concerned, I'm almost sorry to have bought their C5. This kind of behaviour on their part is simply pathetic. But it's not the first bad move they made, and it's obviously not the last... just wish some1 made a DAW I liked using more than cubase :-|

Also one question; What's the current advantage in using the VST3 version?
Is there any difference? If not, then why make a VST3 version?

Also if anyone knows... are steinberg plannig to adress these issues?

The VST3 version was made to eventually allow the internal sidechaining feature of the Virus to work in Cubase. Right now, that feature is not available because Steinberg has to allow internal sidechaining for VSTi's, which Marc has said they will be releasing in an update to thier SDK. So right now, it is kind of useless, but will be necessary in the hopefully near future.

marc 13.05.2009 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Yeh (Post 290083)
So right now, it is kind of useless, but will be necessary in the hopefully near future.

i think there is more. as far as i understand it (correct me, if i'm wrong) there is currently no way to switch from a VST2 to a VST3 version of a plug-in without loosing data, such as the automation you wrote to the tracks accessing the plug-in. in order to keep songs compatible and allow yourself to open them in the more or less distant future without compromise you need to move on to VST3 sooner or later. in fact, all those who are waiting for 64bit support among other things should start to use the VST3 version if possible. we supply the VST3 version of virus control as a part of the public beta program so we can iron out bugs before you really needs to rely on it. i cannot tell if there are still bugs but so far it looks promising.

by the way: thanks to everybody who participated in the beta program and reported bugs. we owe you for testing this new version. i think, offering a public beta was mutually beneficial for you and us. we plan to continue going down this road.

best, marc

LivePsy 13.05.2009 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc (Post 290094)
by the way: thanks to everybody who participated in the beta program and reported bugs. we owe you for testing this new version. i think, offering a public beta was mutually beneficial for you and us. we plan to continue going down this road.

best, marc

Thanks to Access for being committed to improving the TI products! No one would want to read through pages and pages of "No problems here", but in fact that is the case. Its been problem free for most people for some time now.

Regards.
B

L.F. 14.05.2009 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc (Post 290094)
all those who are waiting for 64bit support among other things should start to use the VST3 version if possible. we supply the VST3 version of virus control as a part of the public beta program so we can iron out bugs before you really needs to rely on it. i cannot tell if there are still bugs but so far it looks promising.

best, marc

Well why didn't you say so? ;)
I will begin testing asap (as, I'm sure, will many other users). Anything we can do to help the 64bit version along :)

fender2k1 14.05.2009 02:11 AM

I am getting stuck in an infinite driver install loop. Anyone else experiencing this?

Spacer 14.05.2009 03:24 AM

Guys... I only tried the 2.01 beta from the one I had 3.0.12 I think was the last one..

Its really fucked up... I try sounds and suddenly Polar acts like reboots itself and generally easy gets in panic mode - pure noise sound,

Really with the beta of 3.0.12 didnt have any problems at all, this beta is really the worst version I had from before OS2

Hell Yeh 14.05.2009 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc (Post 290094)
i think there is more. as far as i understand it (correct me, if i'm wrong) there is currently no way to switch from a VST2 to a VST3 version of a plug-in without loosing data, such as the automation you wrote to the tracks accessing the plug-in. in order to keep songs compatible and allow yourself to open them in the more or less distant future without compromise you need to move on to VST3 sooner or later. in fact, all those who are waiting for 64bit support among other things should start to use the VST3 version if possible.

Ahhh! You are right and have an extremely valid point. I did not think of that at all.

HUEY 14.05.2009 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fender2k1 (Post 290104)
I am getting stuck in an infinite driver install loop. Anyone else experiencing this?

See page 1 of this thread.
There is a other one

br

Cantankerous 14.05.2009 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUEY (Post 290114)
See page 1 of this thread.
There is a other one

br

That other one was me. Yes, I too experienced the infinite driver install loop. The only way to get out of it was to manually cancel after it successfully installed at least once. I then had to manually flash the firmware via VCC.

http://www.infekted.org/virus/showpo...70&postcount=8

rjay 14.05.2009 11:03 AM

Infinite driver loop here also, but when I try to follow your method of updating via VCC, I get a "No Virus TI found" error. Following the onscreen instructions and putting the Virus into Update mode doesn't do anything either ....

rjay 14.05.2009 11:07 AM

Infinite driver loop here also, but when I try to follow your method of updating via VCC, I get a "No Virus TI found" error. Following the onscreen instructions and putting the Virus into Update mode doesn't do anything either ....

Eventually I fixed it by choosing the 'Reinstall drivers' option in the same start folder as VCC.

fender2k1 16.05.2009 04:37 PM

I've installed 3.0.2.1 and i'm still experiencing the same issues as i've posted about in the following topics:

http://www.infekted.org/virus/showthread.php?t=30903

Me and HUEY seem to be having the exact same problem. Switching a patch during playback and stopping/pausing the project causes the virus to crash.

more info of me or someone else experiencing this issue:

http://www.infekted.org/virus/showthread.php?t=30947
http://www.infekted.org/virus/showthread.php?t=30550

hope this can get worked out, we're all using different daws and can now trigger the crash.

Prime NL 16.05.2009 04:50 PM

After updating my TI Desktop to Beta 3.0.2.1 i experience the same Sound crash error then before : http://www.infekted.org/virus/showthread.php?t=30947

Seems more and more related to just this sound (AutoKit BC) as every other sounds just doesn't produce the same error.

TheHobbit 16.05.2009 08:10 PM

No issues here with the latest beta.

Just to clarify :

1. VST3 is now stable to start using in projects to avoid future migration issues with projects?

2. We will shortly see input-sidechaining with Cubase 5 thanks to access's VST3 integration?

3. This will make me a happy hobbit ;)

Thanks

HUEY 17.05.2009 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fender2k1 (Post 290208)
I've installed 3.0.2.1 and i'm still experiencing the same issues as i've posted about in the following topics:

http://www.infekted.org/virus/showthread.php?t=30903

Me and HUEY seem to be having the exact same problem. Switching a patch during playback and stopping/pausing the project causes the virus to crash.

more info of me or someone else experiencing this issue:

http://www.infekted.org/virus/showthread.php?t=30947
http://www.infekted.org/virus/showthread.php?t=30550

hope this can get worked out, we're all using different daws and can now trigger the crash.

Thanks for posting.
I almost cann't imagine that nobody else experience this, because I can let it happen so easily. (It also happens when I don't want to and thats why it's annoying to me).

br

HUEY 17.05.2009 07:58 AM

1 Attachment(s)
To make it happen:
Make a simple setup as in the picture. Make a loop.
Change sounds in VC during playback and stop/pause the sequencer. After a few switches/stops it will crash.

I also have a MP3 file here with the ieeeep sounds and distorted scratch sound that you will hear when it happens but I can't manage uploading it here directly. (too big)


It happens on the USB outs and the analog outs

br

civan 17.05.2009 07:02 PM

Is access going to post an updated manual now that OS 3 is official?

marc 17.05.2009 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civan (Post 290259)
Is access going to post an updated manual now that OS 3 is official?

what are you missing in the manual+addenda?

marc

civan 17.05.2009 09:23 PM

The manual that I have shows the old VC layout and doesn't really talk about the new features; for example, characters.
Edit 1: Okay I'm still a newb when it comes down to Mac use. I didn't realize that a lot of my software installs were putting documents in the Library->Documentation folder. :!:

This reminded me just now. Is Access thinking about making a option to choose between the white VC and red/black VC color themes?

A bug that I've seen in probably the last couple updates. The Welcome screen keeps showing up in VC every time I open it up even though I select "Don't Show Again."

marc 17.05.2009 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civan (Post 290265)
The manual that I have shows the old VC layout and doesn't really talk about the new features; for example, characters. This reminded mejust now. Is Access thinking about making a option to choose between the white VC and red/black VC color themes?

A bug that I've seen in probably the last couple updates. The Welcome screen keeps showing up in VC every time I open it up even though I select "Don't Show Again."

the addendum explains the new features in detail. as for your report, are you on Mac or PC?

thanks, marc

civan 17.05.2009 09:32 PM

Mac Pro OS 10.5.6

h4nc0 18.05.2009 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civan (Post 290265)
A bug that I've seen in probably the last couple updates. The Welcome screen keeps showing up in VC every time I open it up even though I select "Don't Show Again."

This happens here with the latest beta on PC. Also, when using VST3 version, after writing automation data (by using mouse on VC), I can't seem to change them. VST2 works fine.

civan 19.05.2009 08:30 PM

Going back to the Virus input issue...
 
I was just wondering something. I know that in Cubase 5 we are currently unable to use the Virus input plugin to send audio through USB.

However, if I were to setup Atmizer for example, in cubase as an external effect in Cubase. Should I be able to accomplish this by routing the Virus Input and one of its outputs to my soundcard?

I should be able to then set one of the 16 channels in VC to accept the analog input and then setup the analog output. Correct?

absynth 19.05.2009 09:10 PM

you can use the analog input to the virus and the analog outputs out of the virus into your soundcard for using the atomizer, effeckts... in cubase

i tested this, i think its too complicated to set it up right and also to use it in your workflow

it´s much easier and more fun to use it with the usb in with ableton for example

i really hope steinberg will bring that sidechain feature for vst instruments, also posted in the steinberg forum here in this topic http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtop...16034&start=30

Sidechain audio input support on VST Instruments Please

Anyone who is using Cubase please also post in that thread and vote "Steinberg have our dosh & support give us what we need please"

Any Plans for making a VST Effeckts only Plugin for the Virus? Could that work with sidechain then?


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