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IamEvil 15.01.2009 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timo (Post 285485)
So, the only hardware difference between the TI and TI2 is 1.25x the DSP (25% poly)?

No additional controllers (ribbon-controller/XY-pad/joystick), no high-speed USB2/firewire, no step/mod-seq, no customisable waveforms, no new oscillators, no additional filters...

If the DSP alone had followed Moore's Law, it'd be 4x the DSP [400% poly] of the original TI mk1).

Bit disappointing after five years. =/

It's not a Ti V2 though , it's just a hardware revision/update...

they've sorted bascially everything they said they would with the Ti so far and added more shit than I know what to do with.

the 25% extra may not actually be extra DSP . it may be down to just better coding of the OS

Marc -- what's the score on the extra DSP power ?

brambos 15.01.2009 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oblivion (Post 285489)
I am not angry, I just cant understand not using USB 2.0???

Doesn't the SNOW already have USB 2.0? I was always under the assumption it already was - and if not: I have never hit a bottleneck where the USB speed was a problem.

Totty 15.01.2009 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IamEvil (Post 285492)
It's not a Ti V2 though , it's just a hardware revision/update...

they've sorted bascially everything they said they would with the Ti so far and added more shit than I know what to do with.

the 25% extra may not actually be extra DSP . it may be down to just better coding of the OS

Marc -- what's the score on the extra DSP power ?

I would presume that faster Freescale Dsp chips are in there which share the same instruction set etc, maybe higher clock speed etc. I'd like to know if it will sound "exactly" the same as the TI1, with the issues I've had with timing etc.

starcorp 15.01.2009 03:42 PM

is the installer working under vista 64 bit?

IamEvil 15.01.2009 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Totty (Post 285494)
I would presume that faster Freescale Dsp chips are in there which share the same instruction set etc, maybe higher clock speed etc. I'd like to know if it will sound "exactly" the same as the TI1, with the issues I've had with timing etc.

from the new gizmo manual pdf it says

Quote:

All new effects were designed to allow everything from subtle
of change through to altering the sound beyond all recognition. The algorithms were created with both sonic
quality and a low CPU footprint in mind.
A tremendous amount of research went into the new additions ensuring a totally different level of quality in
comparison to the legacy algorithms. But even the legacy algorithms have been improved by additional parameters
which makes them more flexible and powerful.
so it may just be claiming back resources to make it more powerful ?

also it seems that the new version has a slightly different way of effects operation ...

Quote:

Virus TI2
Press EFFECTS SELECT (Lower Row) until the OTHERS
LED is brightly illuminated. If necessary, locate the
Frequency Shifter page of the EDIT FX menu by using the
PARAMETERS buttons.

Virus TI
Press EFFECTS EDIT (Lower Row) twice. If necessary,
locate the Frequency Shifter page of the EDIT FX menu by
using the PARAMETERS < > buttons.

Virus TI Snow
EDIT/SHIFT+EFFECTS, then locate the Frequency
Shifter page of the EDIT EFFECTS menu by using the
PARAMETERS < > buttons. It is listed after the Phaser
pages.

Splat! 15.01.2009 03:47 PM

Mine installed just fine. :-)

Been playing around with OS3. There are a few bugs and hiccups.
But, w00t for new OS.
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Timo 15.01.2009 03:50 PM

The confusion with USB v2.0 is that there are three types of USB v2.0 chipsets (for different speeds). Low Speed (1.5Mbps), Full Speed (12Mbps), and High Speed (480Mbps).

All the TIs have the mid-range "FullSpeed" USB v2.0 chipset @ 12Mbps, which is incidently the fastest that USB v1.1 can achieve. Hence the confusion.

Splat! 15.01.2009 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oblivion (Post 285489)
Virus TI Snow now up to 110 voices!!! yeeeeees great news! but why only USB 1.0???????? noooooooo!


TI Snow upto 110voices? Where where? :confused:
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Totty 15.01.2009 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IamEvil (Post 285497)
from the new gizmo manual pdf it says



so it may just be claiming back resources to make it more powerful ?

also it seems that the new version has a slightly different way of effects operation ...

Interesting, am I reading it right - the TI 2 has 25% more power than the TI V1?

Totty 15.01.2009 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splat! (Post 285501)
TI Snow upto 110voices? Where where? :confused:

I saw that on the site, it may be a typo, or maybe not!!

Timo 15.01.2009 03:56 PM

I noticed that.

Does that mean the Snow (mk1) had two DSPs to start with (that have just been 'unlocked' by OS v3.0 [unlikely]), or is it a newer Snow mk2 hardware revision featuring dual-core DSPs (like the other TIs)?

Or just a typo? :)

Splat! 15.01.2009 04:42 PM

I'm afraid its just a typo.
http://www.access-music.de/events/20...virus_ti2.html
Under specifications, it mentions 10 to 50 voice polyphony, which is correct :p
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Logicology 15.01.2009 04:49 PM

Is this 64-bit compatible? There is no mention of it in the press release, which makes me nervous.

DeFex 15.01.2009 04:51 PM

I was pleasantly surprised to read about this this morning so i headed over to access web site to see what i could see. oh look! movies about cool stuff in os3..oh well ill wait till it comes out in ages..but wait there it is in downloads :D

just installed os3 on "original" TI desktop and the new features are all there. works fine so far. seemed to install a bit faster than 2.7.5 but still no option for "drivers only" or " dont update TI if current" if you had to move your USB port and dont want to wait for the TI firmware update.

and i did not get a reocurrence of the problem in cubase where the "audiodriver failed" on the TI control which it seems i just fixed a few days ago when i installed 2.7.5 lol

good thing apple didnt make this synth, or they would have locked out the extra features of the new OS on the old synth :D

Prime NL 15.01.2009 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logicology (Post 285508)
Is this 64-bit compatible? There is no mention of it in the press release, which makes me nervous.

Guess you have to be nervous then...if they do not mention it specifically then you can guess it is not implemented.....sorry...:(

Prime NL 15.01.2009 05:09 PM

I btw. wonder if the included soundset for the TI 2 also works on the older TI's and use the new FX and/or functions...?

Somebody tried this already...???

IamEvil 15.01.2009 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime NL (Post 285512)
I btw. wonder if the included soundset for the TI 2 also works on the older TI's and use the new FX and/or functions...?

Somebody tried this already...???

Soundsets are the original Ti soundsets, I was expecting a new bank or 26 too but theres nothing new here.

Prime NL 15.01.2009 05:18 PM

Tx for the quick reply IamEvil....gives me more time to play with the new effects iso. checking the sounds if they are different... ;)

Splat! 15.01.2009 05:34 PM

I don't know if it's only with the snow, but the new OS3 sometimes just hangs and plays a standard INIT tone continuosly. It usually happens when I'm loading a new patch. Don't know, if it's cause it runs out of DSP.

I simply put it to sleep and wake it up, seems to work for now. :confused:
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Joey 15.01.2009 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IamEvil (Post 285513)
Soundsets are the original Ti soundsets, I was expecting a new bank or 26 too but theres nothing new here.

there is a small 36 patch soundset called 'os3 new fx patches'

its got some interesting sounds

Dusk 15.01.2009 06:27 PM

Where do we report bugs in the new OS? Im getting nothing out of either the EQ or the distortion section, and the output latency is identical regardless of whether using USb or Main Outs - i.e., heavily delayed.

Plus I cant load any patched from the "My patches" bank.

Thanks for the great new features though :cool:

Dusk 15.01.2009 06:43 PM

Also no arp.

All my favourite patched sound different too....

In... a good way... whats going on?

netra 15.01.2009 07:48 PM

I browsed the patches after upgrading and found "Virus TI2 Factory Backup"
Nice!

oblivion 15.01.2009 08:09 PM

I downloaded the Access Catalogue and in the spec for Virus TI Snow is says 25 to 110 voices.

And now it is only 90 voices for the Polar, Desktop and Keyboard version?

I know it can be wrong, but from 110 to 90 is a little bit strange, 20 voice poly lower.

Dont understand this new Access line? almost nothing new.

HUEY 15.01.2009 09:05 PM

Anybody tested the sidechain function in combination with automizer??

Ronkaz 15.01.2009 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeFex (Post 285509)
I was pleasantly surprised to read about this this morning so i headed over to access web site to see what i could see. oh look! movies about cool stuff in os3..oh well ill wait till it comes out in ages..but wait there it is in downloads :D

just installed os3 on "original" TI desktop and the new features are all there. works fine so far. seemed to install a bit faster than 2.7.5 but still no option for "drivers only" or " dont update TI if current" if you had to move your USB port and dont want to wait for the TI firmware update.

and i did not get a reocurrence of the problem in cubase where the "audiodriver failed" on the TI control which it seems i just fixed a few days ago when i installed 2.7.5 lol

good thing apple didnt make this synth, or they would have locked out the extra features of the new OS on the old synth :D

re install drivers only is in the start menu, you can also install only the core elements without virus control or documentation...

r

DeFex 15.01.2009 09:28 PM

I have arp. but i cant control feedback and other parameters of the tape delay from a soft knob. (still works on regular delay)

DeFex 15.01.2009 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronkaz (Post 285537)
re install drivers only is in the start menu, you can also install only the core elements without virus control or documentation...

r


thanks for that! i might need it if i decide to use a pcie USB card (monomes, virus, midex, mx300, vg99, too much effing USB stuff!)

zeno 15.01.2009 10:21 PM

Nevermind :)

Synthetica 15.01.2009 11:00 PM

Thanks Access for the Freq Shifter and other effects, they are most excellent !!

fgimian 15.01.2009 11:08 PM

Awesome update :) I was reeeallly hoping we'd see 64 bit support though, I am just now rebuilding my OS after buying the Virus since I was running Windows XP x64 and now need to go back to Windows XP x32 :(

Love the new VC look! Can anyone please post screenshots of each part of the plugin? The videos take so long to load here.

kcinsu 15.01.2009 11:09 PM

has anyone noticed that the freq shifter mix is not an option in the matrix?

that's very disappointing!

But besides that, I seriously love Access. They are so good to their customers... I'm very impressed.

Having dealt with lots of BS from clavia over the years, Access' generosity is so appreciated... so anyone at Access that may be reading this: thank you.

Anywho... back to intense knob twiddling

Joey 15.01.2009 11:12 PM

I've been playing with the OS update all morning and holy fuck this is amazing.

I was just using my XT last week and thinking "The virus could use a proper amplitude modulation section" and here it fucking is!

has anyone found use for the new analog boost stuff?

I've never really used it (have had virii for four years now), which specific synths is it supposed to emulate? any ideas?

synthfiend 15.01.2009 11:12 PM

much appreciated....
 
many thanks to Access for their new OS3, installed fine, awesome effects.

kcinsu 15.01.2009 11:28 PM

also... atomizer doesnt seem to be delay compensated, when using the USB input.

A good 16th note or so off beat

zeno 16.01.2009 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcinsu (Post 285551)
has anyone noticed that the freq shifter mix is not an option in the matrix?

I noticed right away as well. Would love to see this in the future...

The new os is great, Access. Thank you.

Doc Jones 16.01.2009 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUEY (Post 285535)
Anybody tested the sidechain function in combination with automizer??

not yet, I am going to put it through its paces this weekend. I have been waiting since Namm 2008 for input side chaining so I can't wait to test out this new feature.

kcinsu 16.01.2009 12:57 AM

1. what do they mean by "Last but not least, a modification to the main "VCA" algorithm enables OS3 users to design gating FX known from electro and minimal influenced music.

I haven't figured that one out yet.

2. I just read in the addendum that some hosts will have the delay, and there is nothing they can do about it, which makes me sad :(



kcinsu 16.01.2009 01:42 AM

so does

"Use the Characters section to apply subtle changes to sound of the filters, the oscillators, and the character
of the nonlinearities and distortions throughout the instrument."

mean that this isnt an "effect" like you put in the signal chain... but more of a under the hood tweaking of the fundamental synth engine?

LivePsy 16.01.2009 02:19 AM

The best news is that the current TI is not in any way obsolete. Even if it was, how much more bloody power do you need to make music ? :)

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