Yes, but you have to create a track enabling the MIDI output from the Virus to point to to the input of the Rekon.

Lanrosta,
About making this useable as a library/editor:
I figured out how to do a single patch Controller Dump from the Virus C. However, I do not relish the prospect of repeating this process for every patch!

Could you please provide the Virus factory sets as patches that can be loaded into your editor? Or is there a way of initiating a full Controller dump from a Virus C that I am unaware of? The usefulness of this tool depends on having a reasonable starting point, and in the absense of any standalone Sysex implementation I am left with just an empty box with loads of potential.

Also,
Version 1.1.2 doesn't work in Cubase 4.01.

Thanks,
Roger

how did you manage to do the single patch dump? thanks

"how did you manage to do the single patch dump? thanks"

Midi out from Virus C into Cubase SX track set with MIDI output to Rekon.
Then followed instructions in Virus manual regarding MIDI Tx dump (page 117 for Virus C - I think its in the system edit button menu), once you've selected Controller dump, hit the store button and the Virus transmits to the selected patch on the Rekon. However, it doesn't look like it's possible to do more than the current patch at any time using this method.

Roger

it's sad that to use this I have to pay more for the VST to AU wrapper than Rekon itself.

but are you serious about the knob thing!? that's awesome! so, you can either edit your Virus with the knobs on the screen OR the actual knobs on your Virus?

No more sysex dumps at the beginning of songs! (other than to load a patch from the Virus to Rekon)


Could you please explain the process involved in loading up a song that has the Rekon plugin? So you open it up and the settings on the Virus change without pressing play?

The knob thing happens when you allow the MIDI output of the virus to go to the Rekon. So in this case you use 3 tracks per part:
Rekon to Virus
All Inputs to Virus
All Inputs to Rekon

This configuration allows you to dump the current patch into the Rekon and twiddle the Virus to edit the sound. The Store Preset function in SX3 makes this useable. However, I can imagine this configuration getting pretty messy in a multi (/single) setup with a Rekon on each channel. The lack of sysex ability cripples the functionality in this area anyway.

I'm looking forward to getting a manual that explains how we should be using this plugin. I was hoping for something that meant not having to touch the Virus itself, but sadly that's not happening here. However, on a positive note the idea of centralising all of the patch storage and tweaking within the DAW project is great. I could really use a full set of Virus presets to start with though. That would make this a far more presentable package IMHO.

Roger

Thanks for that, will have to try out the dump funciton over next couple of days.

Will have to contact rekon audio later though as noticed they have sent me the virus a editor not the virus c one.

Roger,
I am working on including a bank of presets. The problem with sysex dumps into the editor via midi is that no hosts support this sysex transfer to/from VSTs. But, perhaps a load sysex file may work. I'll look into this for future versions.

As to cubase 4.... that's a VST 3.0 app. they changed the MIDI spec in VST 3. The reKon plugins are VST 2.4 plugins. When the VST 3.0 SDK is available I'll look into updating it.

Thanks,
lanrosta

Hi Lanrosta,
If you could include a facilty to read .syx files then that would be killer! Anything provided in any other format could be converted to .syx with a sysex tool and the synth itself.

Cubase 4 does not appear to let controller information out from anything VSTi. I've tried it with pitch / mod wheel from Pro 53 and the Pro 53 sends nothing anywhere.

http://knowledgebase.steinberg.net/147_1.html

Has a statement that VST 2.4 plugins and instruments are fully compatible with Cubase 4. - This is clearly not the case. :?

It must be as frustrating for developers trying to release worthwhile and innovative products in this environment as it is for us end users.:(

I look forward to those banks.
Thanks,

Roger

More of that good old Steinberg quality! :roll:
Yes, it can be frustrating especially with MIDI plug ins.

Thanks,
lanrosta

If any Logic 7 Pro users have figured out a way to get this running I'd be interested to hear it! I have it wrapped with a VST to AU wrapper, but cant for the life of me figure out how to route the midi so both the Virus and the VST pick it up!

Actually Virus Control ( and I guess Virus Powercore ) run perfect in Cubase 4. They can't break so much...

R

p.s.: demo? please?

Just bought/downloaded it....

Using Cubase SX3 on a Mac G5 s/p 1.6GHZ, 2 GIG RAM OSX 10.4 Havent had a chance to play yet, will get back to you ASAP regarding how it is working out.

Some documentation would've been nice. Some people out there wont know that they have to find the plugin folder in Mac HD-Library etc etc...

The GUI is OK... but honestly I think the GUI on the Vyzor version suits my workflow better. Just personal preference...

more to come!

Jase

dry i cant get this to work at all in logic pro 7.2.3

i converted it to AU using the fxpansion converter [v1.50.02] but it doesnt pass validation, however i can open it as an "incompatible" plugin but have no idea whatsoever how to get it rigged up to the virus so that when i play a note on the audio instrument channel it triggers the virus. One thing that kinda works is when i move a knob on my virus it moves a knob on the editors screen but thats not much use seeing as i cant get any sound, also i want to be able to move the knobs on screen to control the virus but this doesnt seem to work either

i also cant figure out how to load up my virus's memory/patches into it, this was the main reason i got it, i have tons of my own patches iv created and wanted to be able to edit them visually within my host program but if i have to wipe my virus clean and program everything from scratch then its basically made this product worthless to me :?

lanrosta : when an au version comes out will i be able to get that for free seeing as i purchased the vst version [with the sole intention of wrapping it to AU] ? id be using it on the same mac 8)

What does that have to do with Cubase 4 not allowing a VSTi to transmit CCs?

Works well here (OSX10.4, CB SX3)

Took me a little while to figure it out though...didnt know you needed 2 MIDI channels per patch. Would've been nice to have some documentation.

It's a great program, congrats to the designers and all at Rekon!

Cant wait till the Vyzor one comes out aswel....they are that cheap, there's no issue owning both

a demo would still be nice :(

i did the 3 midi tracks stated above. and i still can't get the editor to edit the actual virus and vice versa.
any help appreciated

edit::
I'm running Cubase sx 3 /virus c / radium 61 connected with USB.
Rekon to Virus
All Inputs to Virus
All Inputs to Rekon

Is how i have it connected

When i have it this way and press a key it goes crazy the virus sounds like its playing double, and ends up freezing for a little bit.
MY virus channel is set up to channel 3 in the virus and on the midi tracks as well. i can see the in/out blinking in the vst editor

Try it with just the one channel first. Place the vst on the midi in channel and then try tweaking. If not try emailing rekonaudio support i'm sure they will help you out.

Will have ago at trying to dump some patches this week. Will post any up i manage to do. anyopne else up for sharing some patches for the vst?

ahh i finally figured it out. It needed the
Midi control : LoPage set to Contrl instead of SysEX
I'm using 3 channels per part now and I'm able to dump my patches.
So far its working great :lol:

still no love with logic or ableton, guess its never gonna work :(

I was about to fork out til I saw this - I'm planning on getting Live 6 so I need to be sure the VST's gonna work!

OK, I've got Live 6 now so has anyone tried the two together yet?

I'll test it with live 6 and let you know

Over a month since I last posted here and:


1) Still no presets made available.
2) Still no manual.
3) Doesn't work in Cubase 4 (However, I do accept that due to the lack of a VST3 SDK this is no fault of Rekon).

Lanrosta, could you please meet us halfway here and provide the factory presets in a format the editor can load? IMHO the VSTi editor is a great idea that currently falls short of the mark because of the lack of presets and documentation.

Thanks,

Roger

Much appreciated :)

yes have to agree some presets and documentation wouldn't go amiss.

This program is almost useless without some sort of patch manager/librarian. Also no demo is a joke.

yup, not impressed whatsoever, poor product, poor company, poor support.

stay away from it.

It seems ok to me so far.

But I cant get it to control the FX on my virus. everything else is fine.

Havent figured out how to dump my virus presets into it yet (if thats at all possible)

and yes the fonts are too small to read. BUT i think after a few hours working i will remember where everything is

Lanrosta,
Is there any news about presets and/or an update?

Thanks,
Roger

Could someone tell me, how to get this thing working in Cubase SX 3?

You need to go into [Devices- VST Instruments] and load up the Rekon editor in one of the slots.

Then you need to set up 2 MIDI tracks.

[MIDI 1] Input = VST Virus Editor
[MIDI 1] Output = Virus C

[MIDI 2] Input = Controller (I use my DX7 IIFD - For you it could be your Virus)
[MIDI 2] Outpur = VST Virus Editor

"Arm" (or Record Ready) both tracks and you should be set to go...

Hope you work it out!

Merry X-mas!!!!!

Update
 

Are you even a registered user? Have you even requested support? How can you make claims like this without illustrating why you feel that way?

I support every customer personally, how many software companies out there will do that? I can't support every VST host, because they control how their software works, not me.

I don't make a real living off of selling these editors, it's supplemental income and in no way comes close to paying all the bills. So, this is why I don't have mucho time to put into the software all the time, I have to build other stuff like web sites to pay the bills.

As to the demo, manual and presets. Yes, they are important factors, but are in no way neccessary to use the software. The editor is designed to shape your patch in the DAW along with the music. It does that and more.

lanrosta

Hmm, intresting thread.

No need for me as I have a TI, but found from somewhere that there is also an editor for the Waldorf Pulse, so have grabbed the demo to check it out.

We'll see...

I wish that you'd made a clear statement along these lines before I paid money for this.

From the Rekon Audio Site:
"The reKon™ VST Virus C Editor is a realtime MIDI synth editor that allows you full control of every parameter of the sound on the Access Virus ™ synthesizers.

Now you can utilize your Virus to its full potential and build lasting and meaningful patches that will bring new life to your Virus, and more importantly, your music.You also maintain all your patches on the PC itself without the hassle of manual dumps.

All parameters are fully automatable and you can even use your favorite VST host, giving you the ability to visually program the Virus to your music via the host sequencer. This ability to model your synth patches in realtime, inside your main music production environment is part of what makes the reKon™ VST Virus Editor unique when compared to other hardware synth editors."

I bought this editor as a means to achieve the above. It does not provide a workable solution to the above. I have no use for a VSTi that merely tweaks parameters that can be tweaked and recorded from the Virus itself. The apparent lack of commitment to a timely completion of this product makes this the worst software purchase I have ever had the misfortune to make.

I want either a commitment to your ensuring that the product does everything your website claims in the very near future, or a refund.

I am very unhappy that I feel the need to lash out like this on a public forum.

i installed this two weeks ago. opened it once, fiddled with it for about 15 minutes and then gave up on it. haven't touched it since. the main reason behind this is the layout. at 1280x1024 i can't read anything on the panel. i wouldn't mind programming my patches from scratch but just looking at it is making me blind.

it's still a great idea and could be extremely useful but not in its current state. just to give you an idea of how much of a hindrance this is, i've reverted back to using logic and sdiver every time i need to program a patch.

Yeah, pretty much the same story here. Bought it, installed it, played with it for 10 minutes and havent touched it since.

Im still waiting for the Psicraft Vyzor version...

is soundiver universal binary?

Nope...and it is discontinued if I remember correctly

ya you reminded me ...it was made by emagic ...too bad apple didn't continue that soundiver ...

what other alternatives are there other than this reckon audio one cause I understand theres no multi patch management right? and its poor resolution.
Yes I know vizor has been claiming to come out for like a decade now :)
And I need it to be Universal binary or ppc whatever I as long as its mac
oh and one more thing...does the reckon work as stand alone ? if so that would be a cool feature since not everyone uses vst hosts now these days