Ben,
make sure to put on a good demo this year for sonicstate.com :lol:

That is one of the main reasons why i am simply waiting for the TI and havent jumped ship to the g2. Albeit the G2 is a completely different beast, it has caught my eye. :lol:

What are you trying to say? ;)

This is going to be the first showing of the TI to the public (hopefully), so make the wait worth our while! :D Please, demo some of the new osc's (which I am sure you are already going too), we already know what the filters sound like. :P

Boys and girls......

I woke this morning after a nightmare i couldnt remember. I had breakfast and a nice cup of Earl Grey Tea.......and then something hit me....

The specs of the new Korg look impressive. But sadly this isnt as innovative as first seems. All these technologies have been existence in one form or other for some time. True, this is a keyboard that brings it all together.....but it would appear to be at cost. Now I dont know about you....but for me, there is a significant difference affording a ?1500 synth as opposed to a ?4000 one.

I have to say I was never tempted

DS

There's no sense in comparing Oasys and Virus TI. Oasys is a real all-around workstationg, when Virus TI is a top notch VA. Also this "Virus TI killer" speak is total nonsense. I can bet my arm that Oasys won't have even near the same quality VA section as Virus TI does. Afterall Access has focused 100% on VA's for years when Korg has been wokring more on sampling stuff and done just few silly VA's that didn't rival with Virus even when Access was young company.

I'd say that Oasys is good, but not as good on VA section as Virus TI.

Damn. I can't wait till next Thursday when the official Oasys details are released. I'm most interested in the pricing. I really, really, really hope that Korg doesn't overprice it... It would be shame if Korg would ruin their first good product in a decade by ridiculous pricing.

I'm not very excited on this new korg synth if those are the specs. I mostly need virtual analog/analog synths. I had a Korg Z1 earlier and I both liked/hated it but these days we have all kinds of software to do sounds. For physical modeling, the new Sculpture in Logic7 may be the best one available. This new korg can be a great synth but who's gonna buy it if the price will be $7000? Maybe Jarre. :lol: I doubt that any company will bring us a new synth at NAMM 2005 which would be better than the Virus TI. The Virus C already is quite a synth.

Yup. Afterall the new Korg is for players. Brilliant work horse on stage. It has everything you need: Hammond modelling, VA with nice wavetablestuff and sampling. It also good for recording a band and making allaround stuff from quick demos to even fully finished stuff.

Yup. I believe this new Korg will be a great synth. Only thing that can ruin it is the price (or the plastic samplings, but I hope it's the past... Ih ope...). I really fear that the price is too insane. I'd be ready to pay lots for that synth, but too much is too much.

You are not lying. Sculpture is freakin amazing. The physical modeling and fx section on it are top notch.

I too must comment that it should have been firewire, and I don't think that would have significantly altered the price seeing as I put a firewire card in my computer for less than 30 bucks when I got my MOTU

I'm really wondering what the VA section will sound like...
They mention ultra-low aliasing osc delivering crisp and spot on high freq response, that's a very interresting feature since I believe the aliasing on the virus is one of the worst I've ever heard.

Maybe they will make the whole thing available in separate modules as well...Would be quite cool!

Medicore at best.

Won't be a problem on TI.

I might say that this is one of the won't-happens - unfortunately.

Does the new TI line use higher sample rate for processing? The converters sure are better but that doesn't affect on aliasing. In my opinion, the aliasing is a very big part in virus sound. It won't sound virus anymore if they make it free of aliasing like Alesis Ion etc.

196kHz 24-bit internal processing...

If there is much less aliasing on the TI...Then the thing is gonna sound different(I would be happy with that but I can see why some ppl would not like that)...Unless aliasing is a new option on the TI(set the ammount of aliasing, dont know if thats possible), quite a few patches would not sound the same no?

The higher processing rate wont change the overall sound (unless the algorithms aren't the same). The aliasing is just reduced and the overall itnernal mixing is smoother.

Thanks :)

Can you please give me a link to the original information page. I only found the info that the converters are 196kHz 24bit (Access Music website).

In fact, if the system now runs @ 196kHz, the DSPs must be many more times faster than the previous ones because I think the Virus B/C uses only 48kHz processing? So they should have used 4x the power of the C's DSP to reach 196kHz and then another 3-4x to reach the huge polyphony count. I still don't believe that they use 196kHz internal processing. If they did, they would have talked much louder about aliasing free synth (which virus definitely hasn't been).

But I may be wrong. It would be very cool to see and hear a virus free of aliasing.

Now you can ask yourself: What one would do with 196kHz 24-bit DAC's if the DAC is feeded with data that's not even a half of 196kHz? They want to sample the same data over and over again for just in case? If the internal processing resolution would be, for example, 48kHz, then they would use 48kHz DAC's, because any rate higher of that would be waste.

Remember that TI has two top-notch DSP's.

Edit: By the way, isnt the B/C series sampling in 96kHz...

Is anybody here contemplating using the TI as your soundcard via the outputs? Just curious. Defenitely cant replace built in mic pres, but might be nice for an on the go laptop/virus studio.

Well, many systems use 96kHz or even 196kHz converters even they don't always/never work at that frequency. It's just popular these days and the product sells better if they use converters with higher sampling rates.

Even my RME soundcard can handle 196kHz but I usually work at 44kHz.

The new clavia nord lead 2x for example uses much better converters compared to the original nord lead 2 but the synth engine is still the same.

I guess the better converters are included with TI because one can use it also as an audio interface and high sample rates are very popular today. I still don't believe that the virus engine would run @ 196kHz untill I hear it from access.

I just want to hear / read the facts. I'm not absolutely sure about the sample rate of B/C, but I will search for information and report here whenever I'll find it. I use the virus powercore plugin @ 44/48kHz and it sounds all the same as virus B desktop. I have had a Virus B and a Virus KC and I have done lots of comparing between them.


Edit.

At least the Virus TI's spdif connector works @ 44/48kHz.

I sent email to access support. We will know this soon...

Lucky Bastard! 8)

Video posted. Disclaimer - havent watched it yet!

http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAM...YS-studio.html

the video is 30 minutes long!

MUAHAHAHAHA! Good Lord this sounds like crap! The same drums as on Triton series... No... NO! ?????????!

I can only say no-one will buy this, really. No-one.

Edit: For a second I thought Korg had made something totally incredible, but Korg did what I should have expected from Korg: Bad sounding overpriced junk.

I'm really dissapointed. All this waiting for another overpriced Triton-sound-a-like.

Bwahaha. Piece of.. I don't think this will end well for Korg

Got to admit that I did like those harmonics he got out of it when he was playing the acoustic guitar. That was pretty sweet!

Is anybody else wondering why they spent soooooo much time on the PCM side of the synth. We could hear all that stuff in the triton. They need to showcase more of the VA/Physical modelling/FM/. . . . . . . . .

Alright, prices confirmed. $7999 and $8499 at sweetwater. This is the demise of Korg. F#$%in unbelievalbe. All it is is a remodeled triton case with a 10-year old chip in it.

Yup. When Korg had its slight monopoly it forgot how to compete. Instead of new products and lower prices Korg competes with old products and higher prices.

I have to agree, the sounds on the video did not impress me in the least. I have a Triton Pro-X, which has been relegated to sampling use during live performances (because the sounds in the unit are just not up to snuff). As a live performance tool, I think the Triton is fine. However, if they really intended for the OASYS to be such a studio/production workhorse, why didn't they hire better people for the sound design aspect of it? I can't see many people buying one. Let's, see, for about the same price, you can have a Mini, Virus Ti, Fantom, and couple lower priced rack units.

Also, the OASYS would look cool onstage, but who wants to an $8000 board into a live performance situation and risk water, shock, or the occasional guitar falling onto it? Doesn't do it for me...

Ok, I promised to come back with real information. I asked about this from access support and they answered:

"thanks for your mail. the default sampling rate of the Virus is 48k (which is an excellent compromise
in between voice count and quality of sounds). the new converters used sound a lot better than the
ones used in the virus b/c even though we do not use them in 192khz mode right now."

So the virus engine runs @ 48kHz as I supposed.

What gets me is that Korg says its 10 years in the making.....kinda leading you to believe that they've litrally spent 10 years, 365 days a year researching and designing it. The reality they probrobably spent 18months.....once the processing power became available.

Well...thats what i think anyway. $8000 is way too pricey for the average guy.....

If they made a 16 voice true analog using discreet parts then id consider it.

DS