some people are willing to pay any price you ask.
i just saw the other day tons of vintage stuff sold
jup8,poly6,ms20,matrix 6
the prices were unreasonable but i still belive some people are obsessive enough or dumb enough to play that price.

btw where are you from that your fermilier with the israeli (super high) prices?

I'm from Holon, and i saw those posts on act.co.il , maybe those people who
sell it may be just too obsessive or dumb enuff to ask so much money for it.

:wink:

People that pay a fortune for vintage analogue are nuts in my opinion. The colector prices are not close to the value of the machine - I say that and I'm living in a country where they are really cheap.

What other analogues did you own out of interest XLR8?

Roland MC202, Moog Prodigy, Moog Rogue, Syncussion DRM1, Roland TR606,
Quasimidi Rave-o-lution 309 - (not so analogue as Oberheim Matrix6, Waldorf
Pulse and EMU Morpheus), Korg MonoPoly, Roland SH101 ofcourse, and lots
of guitar pedals from different manufacturers.
Some of this equipement i sold to my friends, so it still accessible to me when
i need something, and i had a collection of Akai samplers that includes S950,
S1000, S2000 and S3200XL (only S3200XL has left now).

In my opinion, selling the Korg Mono-Poly, Moog Prodigy and SH101 was a very big mistake. Now I can understand that if they were in shit condition and giving you problems....they needed to go....but if I were you I'd be wanting to find better examples of the. Seriously......they are shit hot analog synths. I cannot understand why you'd think they're shit.

DS

Heheheheee......We can always count on DS to lead us on an analogue attack ;)

First of all i'm a musician, not a collector of musical instruments.
I've sold those synths in a good working condition because i threated them
good enuff to keep them in this condition, and i don't think they shit or anything,
each one of those synths had his own character and personalality, but i decided
to get rid of them because they became useless for my needs.
When i bought them i didn't knew so much about sound, and after i learned
trough the years the secrets of sound engineering and studio tech - i found out that
there are better and easier ways to create the sounds that i hear in my mind,
and those synths started loosing their value trough the years, i wanted to move
forward with technology instead of staying behind with a bunch of collector
items in a museum. My studio is not a museum and it shouldn't be a museum.
Today i still work mostly in hardware environment, most of the hardware
i use is eq's and dynamic processors, but i think that in next few years
software will be good enuff to replace hardware completely, at least with synths.

I've seen lots of people with Mackie or Genelec monitors in standard square
rooms without any accoustic threatment, some of them have lots of vintage
synths and they claim that they sounds better than all new digital bullshit...
I've been there already, i have nothing to say to those people, because
when i was like that, i didn't listen to those who know.

Ofcourse analogue synths it's more fun, but in the end of a day - your music
is what's really important, not the kit list you used to create it.

Easy Tiger!!!! ;)

We dont wanna have to send round The DS Massive, to take on The TLV Massive, as many synths maybe lost in the gunfire :)

J/K mate.....it's all love round here!

Take these responses with a pinch of salt....its just an opinion!

Glad to hear it. What kinda music do you like to make?

Its great to see that people are still taking care of these oldies. Hurray.....

I agree. This is one of the reasons I sometimes bitch about modern synths.....for the fact that most (not all) lack sonic character. Im of the opinion that most old analog...even the crap sounding ones have more character than softsynths and most VA's.

Im interested to know in what way they became useless. Was the it the lack of onbaord effects lol. Sorry I just had to put that one in :lol: :oops: . But seriously.....what was the reason? Just curious....

Tut Tut :cry: such a contradiction lol. Most people own/use true analogs purely for the raw sound quality that digital synths cant posses. However, I must concede.....'analog sounds' arent for everyone.....digital synths are fine too. Oh dear.....ive contradicted myself now.....ok where even now hehe :oops: :wink: 8)

Being? For me, I find analog the best. FM/PD etc...whilst brilliant in their own right....are somewhat less intuitive for me.

In what way do you think your moving forward? VA's are still using basic 'analog' type osc waveforms, filters and LFO's. These are the things that fundementally shape the sound and have been widely used since the early 60's. Granted you have more flexibility with todays gear.....but is this really new technology? FM and PD synthesis has been around since the early-mid 80's....I think additive synthesis has been around almost as long. Granular...not sure....but I dont think its particularly new.

The worst thing you've said so far :lol: :oops: . I love having old synths around me....adds to the atmosphere of sound designing and jamming/music making. I like having some new stuff aswell.....particularly when the lights are off when i cant see it hehehee :twisted:

With regards to VA.........possibly yes. In terms of true analog.....nope. Hardware provides a tangible experience that increases inpsiration.....I feel totally disconnected from the 'synth' when its in a computer environment. But thats just me.....there are alot of people who love softsynths.....particularly preset users. Its no fun programming on softsynths.

Yep, im one of those people :P . But...I dont think digital sounds bullshit....well not now anyways....

You gotta trust your ears....I agree with that. Its just subjective opinions at the end of the day. Im interested to know what u mean by 'i didn't listen to those who know'....do you mean that you found their explanation more plausible?

Yes. However.....I find myself drawn to those who obviously make use of alot of true analogs and digital synths. No matter how good the song writing is...I find songs entirely made with softsynths etc to be utterly dull....particularly when played on high end hifi. BTW im not talking about Sony hi end...lol

Well Ive found this an invigorating experience....feel free to rip into my responses should you wish!

DS [/quote]

True for sure. Many people do have a status associated with gear - hense the crazy prices. But comming from the digital world into analogue, I must say I'm sort of opposite to you with what you think about the analogues.

I guess it comes down to the sounds you really want to create. I know some of the newest sounds I've created are the best I've ever created (for my taste) and could never have been made with-out my favourite bass synth of the moment (CS-10). It's all personal taste though isn't it.

I buy analogue synths for bass and bass only. I find I can fill the bass end up qucker and easier with a single voiced mono than with any of my other gear.

Like I said already though - it's all personal taste. :D

Oops

DS, i don't want to get this deep into it cuz it's just too much for me...
From my experience the final sound that we hear in music is 50%
the sound source and 50% the processing, but i'm shure that when
you listen to music, you can't actually hear exactly what synth the sounds
was originally made with, if it's from analogue, digital or softsynth source,
good example is the difference between Albino softsynth and Access Virus.
One interesting thing that i noticed with softsynths is the difference in sound
on differend soundcards, with digital synths the difference is not so big cuz
it depends only on the analogue signal chain that it connected to, but soundcards
can add much more color to the sound than a hardware mixer can do.
Personally, i'm a sampler man, i like to capture a sound into sample and
manipulate it this way when i make music, i resample a lot, this is my way
of producing music.

Peace.

From my experience, it's always better to hear constructive bullshit from
bunch of experienced dickheads instead of talking with salesman at local
music shop... :wink:

Peace.

Thats cool......

DS

And that is spot on.....

DS

Well, I am lucky enough to have honest and experienced producers that work at the local music shop and they don't get paid commission so they don't try to sell me shit I don't need, instead they simply answer my questions if they know the answer. Some things they don't have experience with cause here in New Zealand my Virus B is an extreme rarity let alone old analog classics like the SH101. I just got a bit pissed off in having to read through post after post of bullshit opinion of people that didn't even have experience. I think people on these forums in general tend to get a little 'headuparsed' when they should just cut the shit and answer the friggen question.

Any disagreements?

And what....the people here arn't trying to be honest and helpful? Man you have a very real problem suggesting people have bullshit opinions......thats very rude. With this kinda attitude....people just wont even bother replying to your questions. I suggest you make a new account and start again....with a less shitty attitude.

DS

If u look back to my first two posts....I give you an impression of what the SH101 is like + I even give you two addresses to contact in order for you to find this 'ultra rare mono'

Now if thats not helpful.....then perhaps you should go and piss against another tree.

DS

I am in a very bad mood today, i can't stand any shit. Behave or I'll edit all the post into a question and answers to "How to make love to an snail"

Nice :)

In regards to the post.....If u dont like the responses on here, dont ask the questions. Simple really.

You should realise that this place is unique. And the people here are from all walks of life, with countless experience in all areas of synths, studios, etc...We are honest, easy going, friendly bunch. A great asset, and a great source of information. VIVA LA VIRUS FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S And u are welcome here! We wont judge you on your past words, otherwise I would be banished long ago hehehe....

We have answered your question Gopal; Let me quote you.

Sure some post is off-topic yet we did post whatever we think about the SH101.

But hey, wait -> you maybe want an spec. on the SH101?

It's available in three different colors; Grey, Blue and Red.

VCO: 1 - independent levels for saw, square/pulse/pwm and sub-oscillator
LFO: triangle, square, random and noise waveform
Filter: resonant, self-oscillating LPF, mod by EG, lfo and kbd tracking
VCA: ADSR, mod by EG or gate
Seq: Digital sequencer up to 100 steps record/playback
Arp: Patterns contains up, down, up/down
32 keys
Since it's only CV/Gate, you'll need a midi to cv-converter or if you can build midi-into it. Which i am unsure of if it's available.

Since it's an analogue its sure is nice to tweak it since everything is right infront of you instead of many of the VA that hiddes alot of functions in sub-menu's.

The most important thing about the SH101....is not its features or portability.....its the sound. As far as 1 osc mono's go.....this kills. Its fundementally better sounding than the TB303.....

You really need to play with one for 30 mins to see what I mean...

DS

For those who have SH101.
How to make a 303 sound with it ?

Easy.

Like this:
LFO/CLK - 5
WAVE FORM - SQUARE OR TRI

[MODULATION]
MOD - 0
VCO RANGE - 16
PULSE WIDTH - 10 (MAIN)

[SOURCE MIXER]
PULSE - 0
TRI - 10
SUB OSC - 0
NOISE - 0

[VCF]
FREQ - 3.5 TO 4.5
RES - 5.5 TO 6.5
ENV - 6
MOD - 0
KYBD - 8 OR 10

VCA>GATE
ENV>GATE+TRIG

[ENV]
A - 0
D - 1
S - 0
R - 0

That's it, you have a TB sound in your SH, they both use almost same
circuit board in terms of oscillators, envelopes and very similar filters.
Now, if you want to get the TB "slide" effect also - just program a sequence
with the "hold" button on the notes that you want to slide and set "portamento"
to around 3.6, tweak to taste when playing your sequence.

There is a cool trick, try setting SUB OSC between 1 to 8 and VCO RANGE 8.
He he, another one, use VCF MOD slider when tweaking cutoff and resonance...


:wink:

Shit, man !
Here i found another paper with my old 101 settings,
it's called "BadAssBass", i remember taking this paper with me
to a gig, and i was playing this shit live with a dj set. Junglists love
this sound, it makes all the dancefloor go crazy and the bitches go horny!

Here:
LFO/CLK - 10
WAVE FORM - RANDOM

[MODULATION]
MOD - 0
VCO RANGE - 16
PULSE WIDTH - 0 (MAIN)

[SOURCE MIXER]
PULSE - 0
TRI - 10
SUB OSC - 0 (2OCT DOWN)
NOISE - 0

[VCF]
FREQ - 3.5
RES - 5
ENV - 5
MOD - 0
KYBD - 8

VCA>GATE
ENV>GATE

[ENV]
A - 6
D - 6
S - 0
R - 5

(TRANSPOSE>L)

8)

Hey all, sorry to anyone who was offended :)

Thanks for that new info too DS and Xlr8 I didn't realise that they were that closely related to a TB303. I have spent lots of time with 303s and absolutely loved them, but I'm not prepared to pay the kind of money they are going for now, because, quite simply, I don't use that sound enough in the kind of music I write.

I've been doing alot of thinking about what to add to my set up next and I think 1 old school analog mono like the SH101 would be a very clever move.

Still can't find a blue one though :P

Its hard to find this sort of thing in this part of the world, and it seems the best examples come from Japan now, especially since no one of ebay uk is willing to ship internationally for some bizzarre reason.

I'd say that the blue SH101's is the most difficult to find acctually.

I've seen tons of grey/red go here in sweden but not a single blue one yet. - may just be the fact that those SH101 that where sold in sweden was mostly grey/red.

Thats interesting, I think I read somewhere that there was a very limited run of white ones made as well.

Are TB303s easier to find in your part of the world?

One of my friends sold a white 101 for a good money 3 years ago,
$600 just because it's a rare color and was manufactured in Japan only.
Technically they all the same, and you can paint it in any color you wish :D

Gopal: Unfortnatly tb303 is quite tricky to find aswell - I'd say the best place to look for 303's in the U.S - or if you could make any sense out of german try the german ebay (and in germany you could always find quite cheap analogue gear aswell).

I can read some german, but some just becomes nonsense to me, but just some things that you could have in mind.

http://instrumente.ebay.de/
Versand nach = Sends to (or whatever you want to call it)
Deutchland = Germany, Weltweit = World-wide.

Be aware of sellers with low feedback thou, you don't wanna get ripped off!

XLR8A: Nice i didn't know that.

Yeah, I've learnt my ebay lesson the hard way. I thought $500 USD was a good price to pay for a virus C a few months ago (long before anyone had any wind of the TI) and did a deal on ebay with a guy from Poland that went by the name of Andrei Krivtsikov. I lost $900 NZ dollars because of that f**kwit.

I don't really want a 303 that bad, well, I do but I know its just the GAS talking and I probably wouldn't use it much :P

give future retro revolution a look. 303 like and a whole lot more.

http://www.future-retro.com/

NO problem man, everyone snaps sometimes.....I do it to sometimes!

Ur welcome here......and differences of opinion is a good thing.....so plz carry on posting here ok!

Cu around

DS

Thanks DS appreciate it.

And thanks Merlot. That thing looks mad! Finally a machine that attempts to replicate the tb303 sound and actually uses a 3 pole filter !!!

I want one bad. These things look very unique too, the whole sundial concept is very cool :)

Gotta control that GAS :P

Gopal,
Check out the revolution group on yahoo. One of the users has posted a video of him using it and remixing on the fly Thing sounds nice.

I'll check it out when I get a chance. I take it the 650 price tag is in USD? That would make it pretty awesome value. Its kinda like my SH32 in its features, but the sound is fully analog. I want one. I want one. I want one hehe

Yup!! :)

One hand is one the credit card, but the other is trying to stop it. Will the common sense that I can't afford one win? Or will the GAS be victorious? Only time will tell.



























Waited long enough.

Have pre ordered one :P

check here if you haven't

www.novamusik.com

says it will ship in 4-7 days.

Also when you get it, post some mp3 of that MF!! :D

I haven't got the cash to grab one right this second which is why I pre ordered one from the manufacturer. It will buy me a lil time to save the cash :)

Will post clips for all when the time comes

The 777 might be a better choice anyway. Dunno how much use all those DSPs are for me.

Seem to be using all plug in effects these days, its so much cheaper and there are so many good ones out there now.