Re: VIRUS powercore at NAMM 2004
 

i can see where you're coming from. but you need to take a look at it from a different angle:

access is a company out for feeding their employees and make some money to grow. i guess that's kind of understandable.

the licensing scheme allows us to offer people a smaler version without restricting the feature set (which has been done a lot in the past). sure, this is kind of new to the plug-in world but we believe it's a really fair way of letting people choose and therefore scale their system to their needs.

>Especially with alot of users just using an old PC for their VST's.
>It makes no Sense :roll:

check out the powercore (http://http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCore). this is a DSP afterburner for you computer, it actually takes the load _off_ your computer)


marc

so they give users on a low budget a chance to get the basic virus
i agree the price is reasonable

Re: VIRUS powercore at NAMM 2004
 

Marc, I'm pretty familiar with the unit so I Know what is and exactly what it does. :wink:
My point is that people would rather use their old PC as a VST/DSP Machine and save a few bux as opposed buying a "DSP Afterburner" :roll: for $1300,
Then having to Buy more Plug-ins for $300 bux a pop,
Then having to buy a More Expensive License to Use the Plug-in that you already paid for to It's full potential.
IOW.
I'd Rather use a VST System Link or any one of the New Music Networking Devices on my Old PC and use it just for VST's.

That's If you Consider Spending $1300 for the Unit then another $XXX for the Virus then More $$$ if you want the full license
Reasonable 8O

Re: VIRUS powercore at NAMM 2004
 

I don't think that your suggestion is so obvious a solution as to apply to everyone - I would certainly prefer not to use 2 PCs.

You are also forgetting an important point - a lot of people already own the PowerCore! For these people, the price of the Virus plugin makes a lot of sense. Whether or not people will buy the PowerCore purely to get the Virus remains to be seen.

As for your perspective on the license system - I take it you're a 'glass is half empty' kind of guy, huh? :wink:

Re: VIRUS powercore at NAMM 2004
 

What F*#@* Glass !!!! Jerked again! :x Aaaarggghhh!

If they already own it Then Hells Yeah, Go for it!! Stupid not to.
After Re-Doing my Studio (Below) and spending lotsa $$$ on it, I just like to weigh out my Options. I actually Considered the Powercore until I researched and came to the conclusiion that it was a Stomach-less money eater. Now Where's My Damn Water!! :wink:
>> Click Here for my Studio Specs <<

Nice studio!

As for the PowerCore, I think that the addition of the Virus will give it a lot more credibility, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it encourages other manufacturers to develop for it. FWIW I'm *very* impressed with the plugs that are bundled with the PowerCore.

Nice studio RT. :) Do you get much use out of your MC303?

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Now, back on topic... When are we going to have another outbreak? (Virus D) !! :D

i would rather see a Virus M (for Modular)

Dya reckon they'll release owt at Frankfurt? Dunno how long I can hold off waiting for their next synth! Might buy me a Virus B in the meantime. :)

Thanx, Funny you should ask.
I'm waiting for My "C" to get here so I can connect em both. The 303 has been neglected since re-building the Royal Palace.

I was hoping to hear of a new Virus with a USB/Firewire port, a Smart Media card slot and an ADAT/Toslink out so you can go 8 channels in digitally to the PC but I think that's to much to ask. :roll:

Actually, They should release a normal updated Virus and Call it the Virus-D then add all the Digital features and call it the Virus-Digital. If they Built one and Sold it for $2000-$2700 I'd get one in a heartbeat.

I think alot of manufacturers should be more conscious and adapt/create/configure their products to todays technoligies. :wink:

8O Well first post on this forum but there are some statements in this thread I don't understand :?

PowerCore Element costs $499
Virus PowerCore costs $399

So for the price of $898 you're be able to pickup not only a Virus but also some really nice plugins for your DAW, the ClassicVerb alone is worth that (at least to my ears) :wink:

You are able to get an all digital Virus with firewire for less than $2000-$2700, just get yourself a PowerCore Firewire and the Virus PowerCore plug-in and wait for what the cost of the full license will be, and you're set :wink: (albeit you'll have to use a controller for the knobs :) )

Just my .02 cents...

PowerCore Element costs $499
whats that?
a version with less dsp parts?

It's a PowerCore PCI minus the master X3

Comparison chart just uploaded at TC's site ;)
http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=2881

and Before anyone asks "What's a Master X3 ?"
Here's a Master X3:



What does it do?

It's basically a Finalizer
Here are it's features.
3-Band processing with adjustable crossovers
Expander
Compressor
Limiter
Dithering (uncorrelated)
Look-Ahead feature of up to 10 msAdjustable Digital Ceiling with accuracy of up to 0.05 dB
Hi-Res Metering with selectable Hold ModesConsecutive Clippings counter2 per DSP in 48 kHz

Asa I said Before I like the PowerCore and It's functionality but I still believe it's a Money Eater.

i think you can do without it
im thinking about selling my virus and geting a powercore elements
the price is realy cheap

Just be advised,,

the powercore element has less on-board memory and slower chips than the firewire poco. Therefore, my guess is that upcoming plugs might not support the powercore element. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this..

Just replaced one of my virus c's with a firewire poco with the virus on it. Can't wait 'til I get it! Hopefully I can get a price for the multi-dsp license soon..
:D

the powercore firewire is 2000+ $
and that too pricey for me
with the price of the elements and the virus togther i wont have to add money to buy it after i will sell my rack
the elements has the same ram amount and prossesor power and amount
i still got to find out some more stuff about it befor making my move

Hi Tomer,

Funny, in the US, the poco firewire is $1499.. and you are wrong about the processor speeds and ram. True, they both carry 4 motorola DSP's and a Power PC processor, but the amount of memory for each processor is 4 times bigger on the firewire version. In addition, the motorola chips run at 150mhz as compared to 100 mhz for the powercore PCI. Plus, the Power PC runs at 266 mhz in comparison to 200 mhz. Check out the comparison chart at www.tcelectronic.com.

However, the element goes for around $499 so it's really a bargain if you will only use it to run the virus on! And since (from what I've heard) the powercore firewire has approx. twice the processing power as the element, it is three times more expensive so the powercore element is more value for your money.

For me, however, PCI-slots are rare since I am running a Creamware Powerpulsar and a Pulsar II soundcard that already occupy two slots.. therefore I chose the firewire version.

I chose the powercore virus in favor of the virus c for it's excellent patch management system. It is also easier to swap between projects if the amount of hardware synths is reduced to a minimum. I only run software apart from the virus, JV 2080, MS2000r and a triton..

Good luck,
Micke

well yeah i know there is big difference between the amount of prossesing power on the firewire and the pci cards
in my post i meant the there is not different between the elements and the other pci card with the 3x is the same...
accualy im thinking of geting a pulser2 second hand in the future and at the same time replace it with my corrent sound card (audiophile) and get a very nice powerful dsp platform and a good sound card at the same time.
anyway thanx for the help got to look for the suplyer and find out the exact price here.

confused
 

I don't understand what you mean. I have a Virus KB and am thining about going Powercore path and selling my KB so I don't have to deal with outboard issues and rembering patches etc.

Ok so the Virus PC comes with 16 voices. Does that mean polyphony?
somebody here mentinoed that if you use a big string or pad patch you could use all your voices? That blows! I am also confused by the whole muliti DSP thing?

What would I need to use the Virus Powercore on 4 different Cubase SX2 tracks playing different patches (sounds) with FX). And not worrying about using that patch that uses all my voices.

also does anyone know of any latency issues and how many arp patterns it comes with?
thanks

the card has 4 dsp parts
each part allows you to run a 16 poly 4 midi parts virus plug in
but it limits you using only 1 dsp part at a time if i understood correcntly and the multi dsp licence allows you to use all 4 dsp parts to open
4 virus plug ins=16X4 polyphony and 4X4 midi parts

I see
 

Ahhh I see I think. So with the normal version I can have 4 midi tracks of the virus plugin. BUT only 16 voices for all. so if I use a patch that uses 8 voices on Midi track 1, I am left with only 8 voices for the other 3 tracks.
That right?

If you had the Multi License I could have 16 midi tracks. 64 voices.
So if midi tracks 1 used alone 16 voices I still would have 48 for the others tracks right?

Does anyone know cost of Multi Lisence?

its 16 voices per instance (4 outputs) even with the multidsp license you cannot span voices so it would simply be 4 instances of 16 poly each with 4 outputs each :)

multi will be out in late aug/sept for 299 euros (?200ish)

ten

Re: I see
 

[quote="keano"]Ahhh I see I think. So with the normal version I can have 4 midi tracks of the virus plugin. BUT only 16 voices for all. so if I use a patch that uses 8 voices on Midi track 1, I am left with only 8 voices for the other 3 tracks.
That right?

exacly like in the hardware virus
nothing has changed... the same thing only that you can run it as vsti