Venting of frustrations by users wasnt *the* thing that drove them away - of course it was hugely contributary but it happened everywhere - it was no different on the puny forum. The real problem was how it was/wasnt dealt with here at the time - I think 3o3 wasnt around much, blay was away, Juho had been away somewhere for ages and Sunesha hadnt been seen or heard from in nearly a year.

The users here who actually wanted to keep a lid on things couldnt - we werent mods - even one of them gave up and has hardly been here since.

Then throw into the mix that around that time, thing wre starting to go wrong with the board wit no way to fix them without sunesha or Juho, then finally we lost DNS on the old server - and people here were quite rightfully more worried about just rescuing the database and keeping the forum alive in any shape or form - hence why the 3rd virus forum got created.

I'd say given all the things that happened - were damn lucky to still have a forum at all - even if now it is mostly the old core community and not that many others - in some ways - that aint so bad - this forum is at least still mostly a bunch of mates rather than a souless tech support group that the other one has turned into... :)