re-create famous sounds

[Tea-mo]

Hi,
I sometimes enjoy re-creating sounds from popular tracks and play them to learn working in the sequencer and things like that...

So, which sounds did you creat with your equipment and how did you do it ?

I did e.g.:
Lange - Drifting Away (the main sequence sound)/Virus kb
Ferry Corsten/Fridge/Transa-Sound /JP-8080
CJ Stone /JP-8080/Virus kb
Blank&Jones/Svenson&Gielen-Sounds /Virus kb
Above&Beyond /JP-8080
Kai Tracid-like Leads /JP-8080/Virus kb


Of course the sounds are used by other producers, too - and there are more sounds from famous trance-tracks, i just gave you "my best" things I made (some are better, some not, some are very similar to the originals)...

so i hope you know what i mean and tell your sounds you made from popular songs :-)

Bye
Tea-mo

[Tomer=Trance]

can we hear the sounds?to

[Tea-mo]

When you can say me where to upload the stuff, no problem.

Bye
Tea-mo

[Tomer=Trance]

:? thats a problem.....
anyone has an idea?

[spacecorn]

geocities?

[Tea-mo]

i?m not into this upload stuff and servers and webspace.
I only can start my cuteFTP and connect to the adress and upload the stuff 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

So...someone has to tell me a site where i can put the stuff onto...

Bye
Tea-mo

[Tomer=Trance]

??????

[Tea-mo]

ok, it?s senseless...forget it :(
No Server, no upload...just simple.


Tea-mo

[Tomer=Trance]

use the software serv-u
dont be lazy.... :lol:

[Tea-mo]

and then ?
I have to UPLOAD it somewhere...my pc isn?t a server...

Tea-mo

PS: the thread is goin? offtopic....and NOBODY wrote a real answer to my question...so I don?t want to upload my sounds any more, I?m sorry.
Seems that I am the only one who created those sounds...

[hardmandez]

I would if I knew how too. Can you guys give me some tips on how to learn to program your own sounds. How did you all learn? I'd love to be able to say, right I want a sound that starts like this, does this and then ends like that, I don't have a clue though. Help!

[chroma]

So, which sounds did you creat with your equipment and how did you do it ?

I rarely reproduce complete new sounds on my own. In most cases I use a preset and modify it, till the preset sounds the way I want.
Time is money... ;-)

[Tomer=Trance]

[quote="Tea-mo"]
"I have to UPLOAD it somewhere...my pc isn?t a server..."
so what?
how much does the files wight?
4-5 mega?
thats nothing....
come on man!
i spacialy want to hear the king cj stone sounds
if you can creat the plsedriver sounds you are the king !!
can you do that?

[hardmandez]

Why don't you export the patch to a MIDI file and upload then were taking a few K then. Or send it to me and I'll stick it on my web space.

[DCL2.8]

Hey Tea-mo,
Good topic. Just today I recreated that really cool sound(the one that weaves in and out) from Sasha's "Xpander" song. I made it with my Virus A. With some tweeking, it sounds awsome! If you want; I'll e-mail you the parameters. Just let me know.

[Tea-mo]

Hey !
You are the first one who writes a "real" reply to my question.

I?ll pm you.


Thanx
Tea-mo

[Dan]

This is the first time I have synths that are programmable. When I just had canned sounds to work with I always loved re-creating entire songs. It's a great way to learn a piece of equipment. Now I'm at the point where I'm starting to learn synth programming and I can't wait to start re-creating famous sounds as well as work on my own sounds. That's why I was so excited when I discovered this forum. Sound design is fascinating!

Dan

[Dan]

Here's a challenge... Try to recreate the first 34 seconds of Rammstein's self-titled song (track 11 from first CD) -- with the panning helicopter effects and all. Good luck!

Dan

[Tea-mo]

I meant sounds from techno/trance-tracks...Leads/pads/sweeps and things like that...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Bye
Tea-mo

[Dan]

Have you listened to the first 34 seconds of Rammstein? It pretty much is all pads & sweeps.

[Tea-mo]

No, I don?t know the track. I will check it out later.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Tea-mo

[Tea-mo]

I created a geocities account and uploaded this one for you.

System F - Out Of The Blue


Click here to download the file (http://www.geocities.com/siffhans/OutOfTheBlueByTea-mo.mp3)


Please tell me your opinions about it.

Bye
Tea-mo

[Tomer=Trance]

you see Tea-mo i told you it isent hard to upload thing to the net....
great remake it sounds just like the real thing! :P
how did you do it???

[Tomer=Trance]

can you upload the other sound too please?
thanxx 8)

[Spectacell]

damn tea-mo that's friggin good! =)

[Sunesha]

*cough* *cough* you can upload virussounds here too easy, just plain sounddiver files or mid files, packed or in it is original state..

BW

[Tea-mo]

Well, thank you. I?m glad you like it.

This sound is the JP-8080 and I did the sequence myself (not downloaded a midifile from the net or so...) with Logic 5.

Now I give you a thing I made with my Virus kb. The Filter Envelope amount is a little bit too high, but I?m too lazy to record this new :lol:

Lange Feat. Skye - Drifting Away (Original Mix) (http://www.geocities.com/siffhans/DriftingAwayByTea-mo.mp3)

I played this live and then just quantized it and cleaned the note lenghts.

Bye
Tea-mo

@SPEC: what do you mean with "big bunny...D.S." ? Remember: I?m just a german and my english vocabulary stayed in school *lol*.

[Spectacell]

this one is also very very good! =)

hehe big bunny is nothing serious, just my sick sense of humour...

It's "Ich liebe dein grosse Kaninchen. " or something like that in german I think...

[Tea-mo]

yes your german translation is correct.
could have been also possible that it?s a slang I don?t know :-))

OK then...

Bye
Tea-mo

[Spectacell]

hehe yeah it could have been... :D

[Tomer=Trance]

you are just 2 very funny people
Tea-mo i dont know if i told you before but that picture of your is the funnyest thing i ever saw!!

[Tea-mo]

http://www.chatspass.de/cs/chat/emonics/smile32.gif


why ?

[Tomer=Trance]

whay the long face?? :lol:
its a complement!

[Tea-mo]

Oh...http://www.chatspass.de/cs/chat/emonics/lolwech.gif...thanx.

Tea-mo

[Tomer=Trance]

Tea-mo upload the cj stone's sounds please i would love to hear them
:D

[Tea-mo]

And do you know what I would love ?

I?d love the others to upload their sounds they made - just like I wrote in this topic. I wanted to share. And nobody else did.

"Oh, show me this...show me that...I want to hear this sound and can you make that sound ?" - no. http://www.cwx.de/fw/chat/emonics/zunge.gif

So I won?t upload more files yet.

http://cwx.de/fw/chat/emonics/doppelpunkt.gif
Tea-mo

[Tomer=Trance]

I dont even have a virus!!
im in the middle of a deal and in the end i will have a virus b
you see? :D

[Tea-mo]

I didn?t mean only you.

I talked to all people who has synthies.

[Tomer=Trance]

oh.... ok! :oops: :D

[unio mystica]

Why do you wan?t to re-create famous sounds :?: :?: :?: . Make your own sounds and make them famous.

[Tomer=Trance]

good idie :lol:
but not an easy thing to do.... :?

[Tea-mo]

Why do you wan?t to re-create famous sounds :?: :?: :?: .

I want to re-creat these sounds just for fun and for my interest of making phat sounds. That?s it.

Make your own sounds and make them famous.

I DO make my own sounds. I never said that I want to make copies of the famous producer-styles.
I wrote: "I sometimes enjoy re-creating sounds from popular tracks and play them to learn working in the sequencer and things like that..."

So this are my answers to this.
Tea-mo

[Tea-mo]

http://weissi.omennet.net/ib/images/smilies/superthread.gif

[MADSTATION]

Tea-mo : Actually, your "Out of the Blue" sounds so good that I' now VERY interrested in getting a jp-8080. However, I already ordered a Virus KC so I wonder if I'll actually need a jp....The supersaw on the 8080 sounds just so great. Do you have other sound samples ? You have any tutorial for the jp-8080 ? I want to understand a bit more that synth :D

Sorry for all those questions, I just want to get the right setup ;)

[Tomer=Trance]

i want to hear some samples too!!
im crazy about synths !!!
so what!? shoot me! :lol:

:wink:
fortune teller week here on the virus forum: "some day i will have a virus and a jp"
:P good luck
and may luck smile at you :wink:

[Tea-mo]

so first thanx again for liking my out of the blue-programming..

I will write only a few words now cause I?m tired and I will go to bed now :-)

So I think the JP-8080 is not the most flexible synth, but it has that sound that is very special.. Just like this Super-Saw waveform...

Don?t buy this Synth just to have this one waveform !!
Buy it for having all the functions and overall sounds.

The Virus is more than 300% "better" than the JP-8080, but anyway you can?t recreat a JP-8080 with a virus !!! It sounds different !!

The JP-8080 doesn?t sound analog, even it?s a VA. It realloy sounds quite digital...you nearly can hear all those 0 and 1 numbers :lol:

You can definately make more cool sounds with the JP-8080 than this "ferry corsten-supersaw" !!

So you should go to your nearest music-store and play on it a bit...(when they still have the JP-8080 !! :roll: )

Every Synth has pros & cons...the virus has pros & cons the JP-8080 has pros & some more cons,...

BUT: tell me a trance/techno producer who doesn?t have a JP-8000 or/and a JP-8080 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

The JP-8080 is a nice Synthesizer for every kind of music (except Heavy metal)

Bye
Tea-mo

[MADSTATION]

Thanks a lot for the info! :)

However, is there a LOT of differences between the JP-8000 and the JP-8080 ? I don't really care that the JP-8000 only has 8 notes polyphony because the Virus C will be my main synth. However, JP-8000 VS JP-8080, do both units have the same effects?

Thanks again!

[Tea-mo]

The JP-8080 is a little bit better.

It has distortion, a vocoder, a noise-Wave in oscillator 2 and I?m not sure if the Unison function is in the JP-8000 (?) - I think NO.


So, the difference is not big, but the JP-8080 is better.

Here is another sequence from the JP-8080 Ferry-Sound (Which is no preset):

Gouryella - Tenshi (Transa Remix) (http://www.geocities.com/siffhans/TenshiTransaByTea-mo.mp3)

Bye
Tea-mo

[MADSTATION]

Holy shit. This one is totally incredible. You are very talented ;)
Do you use much polyphony to get such a good sound ? Coz the Jp-8000 only got 8...And it does have the unison.

Do you think that you could exactly reproduce that exact sequence with the Jp-8000 ? If you could, then I'll go for the jp-8000 since it's very cheap used.

Thanks again,
really appreciate it!

[Tea-mo]

Thanx again !!!

I?m glad that you all reply so positive reactions !!

So, I now read that the Unison-mode is in the JP-8080 only.

But now your questions:

I don?t use much polyphony for that kind of sequences cause the notes are all divided (step by step) - so they could even be played in mono-mode !
When I play it real poly, I have a real phat thing where I don?t need more polyphony ! The Sound has 3 Oscillators.

I can press 5 keys and the polyphony dies when pressing the 6th key. Sounds not much..but for this sound it?s phat enough !

YES, this sound can be made with the JP-8000, too.
But when you buy a JP-8000, think about the missing distortion-effect with that you can salt the sound much. FOR EXAMPLE ou can do an ABOVE & BEYOND Sound with the JP-8080 - and NOT with a JP-8000 !!

When you have an FX-Unit, you can add distortion with it..but I don?t know if you can make the exactly same kind of distortion of the JP...So you must know what you prefer !!

Tastes are different.

Bye
Tea-mo

And btw: you can get a used JP-8080 very cheap, too.

[MADSTATION]

Ok cool ! I'll consider all this before buying.

By the way, here is a sample of something I did a month ago, 100% reason, no hardware used.

http://www.madstation.net/sample.mp3

Comments anyone ? :)

[Tea-mo]

http://www.chatspass.de/cs/chat/emonics/rechte.gif
First I must say that you better post theese things into THE FORUM MEMBERS MUSIC cause this topic here is for recreating famous sounds...

and now my comment about your sample:

Basically it?s good, but there is missing the right power in it. Maybe you should try compression...

[MADSTATION]

Tea-mo : Ok I'll do so next time :) And finally I ordered a jp-8080...I got a pretty cheap deal on ebay for a new one so I'm pretty sure that with a fr777, virus kc and a jp8080 I should have fun for quite a few months :D

Anyway I think that there was no need for a jp-8000 since I already have a keyboard on my virus kc...

Thanks!

Keep the good stuff coming,
Serge

[Tomer=Trance]

your loaded arent you MADSTATION ??? :lol:

[ojiram]

does anyone know if there are software versions of synths like "Virus kb" or "JP-8080" ?
Where can I get them from?
is anyone willing to trade?
I have tonsa software and music !

:twisted: :roll: :twisted:

[Tomer=Trance]

chill down man!
this forum is to relax not to get into panic! :D
im sorry but there is nothing like the real thing....
try to get some money and buy a 2nd hand JP or Virus

[Tea-mo]

There are TDM-Plugins of the Virus B and the Indigo...Blank & Jones for example are using them...
My opinion is the same as the opinion of 95% of all music ppl: There is nothing better than real knobs !
There is no Software JP.

And this Forum isn?t a warez forum for trading software !!

And BTW...what has your post to do with recreating famous sounds ? Please choose the topics exactly - but as I said: your post is not right in the Sunesha virus-forum

Bye
Timo

[MADSTATION]

Here is my try at Alex Bartlett - Amnesia [Flutlicht vs S.H.O.K.K]...The bass is wrong but I think the main synth is quite similar :
http://www.madstation.net/amnesia.mp3

Would love some feedback!

[Tea-mo]

God save ya !!!
You?re the first who did what i basically wanted in this Topic !!!

You did a good job, dude.

It?s not perfect, but sounds very familiar and comes very close to the original. What did you use for it ?

Bye
Tea-mo

[MADSTATION]

Tea-mo : Thanks. You're right, it's not perfect(especially the bassline) but I had lots of fun doing it. I'll probably post some more really soon, just have to finish a personnal project first. I used a VIRUS KC + VAZ.

[Tomer=Trance]

vaz modular or 2010??

[MADSTATION]

2010!
But it can be done too with Modular.

[Tomer=Trance]

would you like to share some sounds you did with the 2010 with me??

[nrgy]

hey, i tried to recreate a known song with my virus c this morning. there probably are some faults :P

I'll call it guess which song :D

http://www.trancex.dk/chimeras/nrgylofi.mp3

[Tomer=Trance]

the note in the end is false but you go to love that - sensetion 2003 theme by rank 1 :D

oh i see there are alot of false notes hehehe ,i shouldnt be joking i couldnt play it my self :)

[Blank]

well i dont mean to be rude to the song maker or u nrgy...but i must say if those r the notes in the song...that sounds really crude to me...sounds like whoever wrote it wasnt even trying to follow a scale!! almost like they were trying to make a completely chromatic song!! :lol:

peace
Blank

[Tomer=Trance]

its from a bach symphony if im not mistaking :)

[nrgy]

yes it is something from Bach too;)
Blank: there are very much mistakes in the mp3 I made hehe, but the original is very weird in some way I think too. Don't have the original, have just heard it a couple of times too, If I had the original it would be easier ;)

btw, I made a new one, this time Lasgo -Alone hehe
http://www.trancex.dk/chimeras/lasgonymp3.mp3

i cut out the vocals from Ian Van dahl mix of the song:)

this is also virus.

hope there is someone that likes commercial music ;)

[Tomer=Trance]

good recreation :D

[Blank]

which one of the many bach symphonies is it? i did not recognize it personally...

the second one is much better but i must say u should be using your time to create your own songs!!! :lol:


peace
Blank

[nrgy]

the first one is suppose to be from Rank 1 - Sensation Anthem 2003, but there are many bad notes as you guys said;) They say that the melody/ies from it is from Bach or someone known componist.

And yes, I should be working on my own songs, but I always end up remaking other songs, don't know why, I haven't produced my own work for about 5 months mabe now. Starting to get little worried hehe. Eventually I will come up with something, and I'm looking forward to hear some feedbacks from you guys at the virus forum;)

take care!

[Blank]

well whenever u get a song of your own i would be delighted to listen to it... :lol:
I meant no offense by my comments earlier...but when i here a scale totally off key and/or not being modulated right i will speak my piece...

im on a bit of writers block myself, but i dont remake songs...i doodle instead with various pieces...

peace
Blank

[nrgy]

well, I know better than making false notes hehe.
you can take a listen to two old tracks made in reason:

http://www.trancex.dk/chimeras/enjoytheridelofi.mp3
http://www.trancex.dk/chimeras/callinforyoulofi.mp3

and with virus and v-station:
http://www.trancex.dk/chimeras/chimeraslofi.mp3

:D

let me know what you think ;)

[nrgy]

I'll try and keep this topic active 8)

http://www.trancex.dk/chimeras/nrgymotorcyclemp3lofi.mp3



let me know what you think :D

[Tomer=Trance]

the bass sounds great,byt the strings are less good :)
do you have icq or messenger? i'l send you a bass drum that sounds more like in the original track (punch...) 8)

[Machinegunjoe]

Tomer check his profile...

Nice sound nrgy...that tune...ohhh...sweet

[Szathy]

Hi!

I created a piece of music and decided to share. Nothing special, patches from the Manuell bank.

http://free.x3.hu/szathy/euro_mast.wav

Any comments welcome!

[Tomer=Trance]

can you convert it to mp3?
its so slow - i have dsl and i get 0.5 kb\s!! and it always break

[Szathy]

I replaced the .wav file:

http://free.x3.hu/szathy/euro_mast.mp3

[nrgy]

it's almost impossible to download.
I get 200 bytes pr. sec :?

would be nice if you found another place to upload the clip :D

[Szathy]

Here is another:

http://members.chello.hu/szathy/euro_mast.mp3

If its too slow, I hope You can advice me any upload possibilities.

[Tomer=Trance]

sounds cool :o

[nrgy]

made another clip. Mainsynth is virus, bass is v-station 8)

don't know which song this is, but I would be very happy if someone could ID this for me too:). Heard it in a liveset.

http://www.trancex.dk/nrgy/santaclausMP3.mp3

[mwillstedt]

just recorded this short clip from my virus =) an re-creations from the band antiloop... =)

http://hem.fyristorg.com/flytothehell/aloop_mwillstedt.mp3

// Martin

[Machinegunjoe]

Pretty good Antiloop sound. The original is from the Trinity synth. "Ribbon your head off" is the name of the patch.

[BlueSwan]

I too am very impressed with the Ferry Corsten JP-8080 patch. I have a JP-8000, but I've never been able to make a patch like that. Time to get to work I think.

[BlueSwan]

I just tried to do the Ferry Corsten patch and got a pretty good result, but it's not nearly as phat as your sound. Maybe it's because it's on a JP-8000 and not a JP-8080???

[Tomer=Trance]

i dont think i matters
moment i got the settings for the patch

OSC Common
RING :On
OSC BALANCE: -14
OSC 1
WAVEFROM:SUPER SAW
CTRL 1:87
CTRL2:127
OSC 2
WAVEFORM: SQUARE
WAVE FINE/WIDE:-28
PULSE WIDTH:4
PWM:71
SYNC:ON
FILTER
Low Pass Filter
CUTOFF FREQENCY:69
RESONANCE:25
ENV DEPTH:+35
ENV: Attack:0 Decay:34 Sustain:18 Release:127
AMP
ENV: Attack:2 Decay:65 Sustain:0 Release:57
EFFECTS:
CHORUS LEV:86
BASS:+14
TREBLE:+37
DELAY: Slight


here you go

[BlueSwan]

Cool! I'll try that out for sure!

[Merl]

interesting topic indeed! To bad no one is posting and trying to keep it alive. I would love to hear some more examples of recreated sounds from "famous" songs.
I hope i can contribute myself someday in the future.. when my programming skills get better.

cheers

[Tea-mo]

Hey ppl...
I was away for long...i just came back to read a private message and looked what happened to my old re-creating thread :)

And then I remembered that I have something for you...tomer will probably know this..but who cares :-P

SHANE 54 - VAMPIRE (http://mitglied.lycos.de/team_o/Vampire.mp3)

[nrgy]

hey, sounds quite nice;)
you used a JP for it? :wink:

[Tea-mo]

yes..or is there another synth that has this supersaw ? :lol:

Paffendorf - Be Cool (Pierre Hiver & M. Hammer Remix)-Sound (http://mitglied.lycos.de/team_o/Hiver&hammerbytea-mo.mp3)

[Juho L]

yes..or is there another synth that has this supersaw ?

Virus, Waldorf Q's, Supernovas, Nord Modular, Nordlead.

There's few. You can detune saws with other synths you know. H?h?h?.

Edit: Well of course you trance people might not have known that but it's true. May seem unbelieveable at first glance.

Edit 2: One additional h?h?h?h

[Tea-mo]

but you don?t get a JP-80x0 Supersaw then :twisted:

[Juho L]

but you don?t get a JP-80x0 Supersaw then :twisted:

Of course. I don't want to pay 800,- for a oscillator that sounds detuned saw. 800,- for detuned saw is quite much. Maybe trance people are just plain lazy to detune their saws. Or maybe they don't even know they can detune the saws on other synths. I wouldn't be suprised if that would be true. Well it's their loss.

But oh boy I wish I'd have bought ten used JP8080's a few years back! I could now sell them with profits to all those wannabe trance starts. Hah! Poor maggots!

[Tea-mo]

Ok, i?ll keep out of that, this is getting weird...I don?t know why you start such an offense...
i?m out

cya
timo

[Juho L]

Ok, i?ll keep out of that, this is getting weird...I don?t know why you start such an offense...
i?m out

Hoho. No offencing. Just stirring up some conversation (argument) here.

[richardfletcher]

I've tried to recreate a few sounds over the past 6 months. A few demo's are below.


The first thing I did when I got my Virus C.
www.neostudios.co.uk/virus/communication_effort.mp3

An attempt at the PPK sound.
www.neostudios.co.uk/virus/ppk_patch.mp3

A quick effort of the Push sound.
www.neostudios.co.uk/virus/push_effort.mp3

An effort at creating the lead from a Mesh remix
www.neostudios.co.uk/virus/mesh_patch.mp3

My own effort at the drifting away patch
www.neostudios.co.uk/virus/lange_patch.mp3

An effort at Veracocha - Carte Blanche
www.neostudios.co.uk/virus/veracocha_effort.mp3

My favourite. The strings from Hiver & Hammer - 5 Million Miles
www.neostudios.co.uk/virus/hiver_hammer_patch.mp3


I've done 2 more, but I can't be bothered to find them. The 4 Strings lead sound, and the lead sound from Midway - Monkey Forest.



Kind Regards,
Rick

[120mg]

Those are pretty damn good!!! 8)

(now we need them as .syx/.mid) ;)

[Tomer=Trance]

yeah 5 milion miles is excelent!
the mesh is good 2
all are i would love some midi if you can share them with us

[3o3]

Is it the B or C?

[Tomer=Trance]

sounds like a C
in the push sound it sounds like he realy pumped uo the high freq.'s

[richardfletcher]

I used a Virus C on for all patches. The version of the lange demo I uploaded had a shed load of reverb. Not sure where that came from. I've re-uploaded the true version of what it should sound like.

www.neostudios.co.uk/virus/lange_patch.mp3


I've also found the Monkey Forest effort I tried a while ago

www.neostudios.co.uk/virus/monkey_forest_effort.mp3

[richardfletcher]

I'm willing to trade some of those patches if anyone has anything decent. I'm looking for a cool bassline and some effects. I like the style of the above and beyond bass if anyone has had a shot at that.



Kind Regards,
Rick

[Merl]

very nice sounds there! like em alot.
Dont think i have anything to trade with you though.. :roll:

[120mg]

I'm willing to trade some of those patches if anyone has anything decent. I'm looking for a cool bassline and some effects. I like the style of the above and beyond bass if anyone has had a shot at that.



Kind Regards,
Rick

Post a sample of the sound you want and maybe someone can get it programmed for you :)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hey ppl...
I was away for long...i just came back to read a private message and looked what happened to my old re-creating thread :)

And then I remembered that I have something for you...tomer will probably know this..but who cares :-P

SHANE 54 - VAMPIRE (http://mitglied.lycos.de/team_o/Vampire.mp3)

Ive just listened to this....and i tell u what it reminds me of.....

Some incidental music from the film DUNE.

DS

[Wandering Kid]

Of course. I don't want to pay 800,- for a oscillator that sounds detuned saw. 800,- for detuned saw is quite much. Maybe trance people are just plain lazy to detune their saws. Or maybe they don't even know they can detune the saws on other synths. I wouldn't be suprised if that would be true. Well it's their loss.

yes but detuning alot of saws doesnt reproduce that supersaw sound accurately as it was on the jp8000. nowhere near it actually. i cant explain it. you can make supersaws the hard way in pretty much any synth. my virus b supersaws sound nothing like those on the JP. niether do my vanguard multi detuned saw patches. theres just something about the original which you just cannot recreate perfectly without a JP. spend enough time listening to the supersaw sound and you'll start to pick out the nuances and the tiny details which make it sound so rich. likewise i listened to hollowcell's alpha juno hoover demo and by god that synth has some bottom end on it. that hoover rips like nothing i can recreate on any synth ive got. sure i can make hoovers on the virus, in vanguard, in hydra, in pretty much anything really. but it never quite has that oomph that the juno does when it punches em out.

also, alot of the people on the tranceaddict forums (as well as others) are well aware that you can detune saws in other synths. in fact, ive seen many (amateur and professional alike) attempt to recreate that supersaw sound in a bucket load of synths, including maelstrom and pro 53. usually by creating a stack of 6 to 9 instances with varying amounts of detune on each saw.

never ever sounds as pure as the real thing. NEVER.

[MADSTATION]

yeah jp8080 really has a sound of his own :)
http://www.madstation.net/breakdkwn11.mp3 (main synth in there is jp8080...I love that synth :) first synth is vanguard)

[Wandering Kid]

yea i know what you mean. i just cant get *that* sound from my virus. or software. i can definitely see why tranceheads cant get enough of that sound. theres something about it which is just so very very very sweet. even if it is (over)used by practically every trance/hard dance artist under the sun.

fecking good demo btw madstation - backed up my point with a perfect example ;)

btw, i didnt read the post fully before clicking the link and i knew that lead was vanguard straight off :) vanguard has such a distinctive kind of sound - a bit hollow in places but its got a lot of grit and alot of crunch. makes very nice acid. hmmmmmm...acid...